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GN[Open Round 4 Board 1 - Yongfei Ge 7d (w) vs Mingming Yin 1p (b)]PW[Yongfei Ge]PB[Mingming (Stephanie) Yin]WR[7d]BR[1p]DT[2011-08-04]EV[2011 US Open]RO[4]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Dennis Wheeler]C[USGO1 [-\]: Welcome to the AGA E-Journal's live coverage of the 2011 US Open taking place at the US Go Congress in Santa Barbara, CA.  This is round 4, board 1.  I'm Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this morning.
USGO1 [-\]: The players are starting to gather and find their seats, but the noise level is still high as we're waiting for the morning announcements
mw2a [1k\]: will there be video?
DJP0N3 [3k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
DJP0N3 [3k\]: video already up
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;W[pd]C[mw2a [1k\]: tbh, i knew there'd be vid. i just wanted someone to link me
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;W[qk]C[indianayk [4d\]: are they both 3-0 as of now?
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;B[qf]C[USGO1 [-\]: yes
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Whoo hoo!!!
USGO1 [-\]: 2011 US Open pairings can be found online at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/102 . Check back for updated pairings, results and game records throughout the week.
indianayk [4d\]: ths, Dennis
playgo [2k\]: r12 correct ?
indianayk [4d\]: thx
evanj [3d\]: r12 natural
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, R12 is very natural, and imo the best move, very seldom to see it so clearly in fuseki, but allowing black to get a two space extension seems odd imo.
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;W[nd]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ok, scratch all of that.
evanj [3d\]: maybe not so clear after all :D
imtootired [2k\]: apparently somebody disagrees with u ::))
evanj [3d\]: r9 stone works this way too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yes, my only question is why strengthen R5?
playgo [2k\]: well, black might become a little bit overconcentrated this way
evanj [3d\]: what do you mean, strengthen R5?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: R11 strengthens R5 by weakening R9.
imtootired [2k\]: myea makse managing R9 more difficult, but on the otherhand easier to make points at topside?
imtootired [2k\]: maybe he's got an idea of followup ?? :DD
evanj [3d\]: no, no points at top yet
evanj [3d\]: point is to make r14/q14 stones overconcentrated / heavy
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I guess when P9 jumps after R11, attacking both groups?
evanj [3d\]: and then to use r9 stone for a separating/leaning strategy
mw2a [1k\]: p9 
evanj [3d\]: e.g. if b plays r11, w p9, and neither b gorup is really happy yet
imtootired [2k\]: but it's also like black lacks natural extension from either side?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: p9 would be optimistic.
evanj [3d\]: true
afefa: p9 overplay
evanj [3d\]: that's why r9 is a natural pincer to begin with
mw2a [1k\]: p9 power play
USGO1 [-\]: Many of the players seem restless today, getting up to refill their coffee/tea cups already
mw2a [1k\]: they miss their jobs
patrickn [2k\]: lol
Gosu [-\]: no, the bad kibitz is getting to them
imtootired [2k\]: also now white playing R12 would probably be very troublesome? 
baltimore [3k\]: they miss the beach from yesterday
evanj [3d\]: yes
evanj [3d\]: or o14
mw2a [1k\]: r12 p12 
evanj [3d\]: or q12
afefa: r12 too close
USGO1 [-\]: Yesterday was the traditional mid-week day off -- no games played, except for the die hard tournament (4 rounds in one day)
kostuek [3k\]: what bad kibitz? not on kgs for sure
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;B[np]C[mw2a [1k\]: i know i saw p9 in this position before (or similar) in pro game
evanj [3d\]: wow
Wiggum [5k\]: oh snap
evanj [3d\]: b not submissive
Wiggum [5k\]: b wants a fight really bad
crys [?\]: q5?
playgo [2k\]: taisha
evanj [3d\]: hard not to play q5
drjeanpoul [7k\]: :)
kostuek [3k\]: not hard for me, r12
SergeyASh [9k\]: p5 ?
Koffein [-\]: q5 looks like the only move .. white can´t play tenuki, q4 is too severe. and white can´t give black a wall there
playgo [2k\]: but maybe black can give up r5 and create thickness after q5 
evanj [3d\]: i think r12 is maybe possible but risky
Gosu [-\]: q4 is only too severe if w plays gote
evanj [3d\]: if w r12 and b q4, does w want to play yet another move in the top right?
drjeanpoul [7k\]: two tenukis u mean ?
Koffein [-\]: r12 q4 s15 p3 is too easy for black
USGO1 [-\]: Mingjiu Jiang walks by to see how the game is progressing
evanj [3d\]: i don't know if i even play p3
Koffein [-\]: yeah
CptHook [4k\]: this isnt good for w
SergeyASh [9k\]: q6 seems good, but slow, imho...
Koffein [-\]: probably tenuki is even better
evanj [3d\]: i think r12 q4 s15 d11 i'm very happy
kostuek [3k\]: r12 q4 f3 for me. but i dont like q4
evanj [3d\]: or k17 instead of d11
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Is there a variation here that gives white sente?
Koffein [-\]: after q4 w can only live with p3 o3 s4 s5 p4 p5 r4 q5 o2 n2 p1 
CptHook [4k\]: q5 maybe
Koffein [-\]: and that´s submissive
xio [6k\]: w trying hard to remond this joseki
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;W[ph]C[xio [6k\]: remind*
BobWhoosta [1k\]: If white can settle this area, albeit a hair passively, but with sente he could R12.
BobWhoosta [1k\]: BAM!!!  AND we have a fight!
mw2a [1k\]: b can tenuki
kostuek [3k\]: well, more active
Koffein [-\]: hmm
mw2a [1k\]: i think
Koffein [-\]: w is probably afraid
evanj [3d\]: koff: yeah, i can't imagine w would play to live small in the corner after q4
xio [6k\]: q12 is more asking for local response than r12 perhaps
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;B[pp]C[xio [6k\]: fail
evanj [3d\]: and now we're here: does w _really_ want to have played 6 of his seven stones in one quarter of the board?
playgo [2k\]: looks like a kind of furikawari, but no idea who is better
evanj [3d\]: or does he leave all that aji?
afefa: leave it
mw2a [1k\]: i'd say b is better because w needs one more move
xio [6k\]: 4 of 6
teach [3d\]: yeahh
CptHook [4k\]: w should also tenuki o13 
mw2a [1k\]: and even then two stones have ajo
mw2a [1k\]: "ajo" new go term
whitetalon [?\]: ajo
evanj [3d\]: one ajo, two aji?
teach [3d\]: taisha tenuki always bad idea
haakigo [?\]: ?
evanj [3d\]: nothing is always a bad idea
afefa: d15 ?
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;W[ce]C[whitetalon [?\]: agreed
mw2a [1k\]: this should be an interesting gamr
hnnnn [4k\]: a bad idea is always a bad idea
zakatan [3k\]: tenuki is the essence of go
whitetalon [?\]: lol
brooklyn [3d\]: left side is dripping with aji
brooklyn [3d\]: right side sry
Koffein [-\]: not when you play taisha 
mw2a [1k\]: is that true, teach? pro opinion or just your feeling?
playgo [2k\]: somehow I doubt this game will go in the yose
bjoerni [7k\]: playing in one quarter 6 moves is another form of handicap....
evanj [3d\]: i am still uncomfortable with q12
xio [6k\]: w is walking a thin line
whitetalon [?\]: zakatan: of go played by pros.
mw2a [1k\]: o14
xio [6k\]: r3
evanj [3d\]: doubt anyone plays there for awhile
imtootired [2k\]: it's hard to say
crys [?\]: how big is difference between 7d and 1p?
evanj [3d\]: not big
whitetalon [?\]: very big
Koffein [-\]: depends on the pro
hnnnn [4k\]: 3.2
evanj [3d\]: not nonexistent, but not huge
patrickn [2k\]: i think it dpeends on the day and their mood probably
kostuek [3k\]: e16
whitetalon [?\]: diff between 7d and 8d is big
evanj [3d\]: and yes, depends both on the pro and the 7d
mw2a [1k\]: as 7d is max aga rank it could vary greatly i imagine
Koffein [-\]: 7d can be stronger than pro (depending on ranking systems)
brooklyn [3d\]: probly 1 stone
xio [6k\]: who is stronger 7d or 1p?
evanj [3d\]: can't answer that question universally
imtootired [2k\]: what about position
whitetalon [?\]: troll
NotreDame [21k\]: can a player reach a 1p ranking on kgs?
imtootired [2k\]: which do u think is nicer?
evanj [3d\]: no
whitetalon [?\]: no
mw2a [1k\]: no, notre
evanj [3d\]: to be a 1p you have to be an actual professional go player
Koffein [-\]: notredame: ony if you are a real pro
SergeyASh [9k\]: f16 ?
NotreDame [21k\]: oh ok
whitetalon [?\]: has to be given by a society
mw2a [1k\]: p is a pro rank you need to achieve it bu taking a pro test in one of the countries that offer
brooklyn [3d\]: no
USGO1 [-\]: Thier AGA rating at the moment is: Mingming 8.5 and yongfei 8.77
evanj [3d\]: there you go
mw2a [1k\]: ty, usgo. interesting
evanj [3d\]: by that one metric this 7d > this 1p
brooklyn [3d\]: but stephanie has probly onyl played a couple aga rated games
xio [6k\]: so 7d stronger slightly
evanj [3d\]: true, brooklyn
evanj [3d\]: doubt it's hugely reliable
evanj [3d\]: but they are not super far apart in strength i imagine
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;B[dh]C[USGO1 [-\]: But Mingming started the tournament as an unknown with a default 7.5 rating
imtootired [2k\]: which is better, black or white?
brooklyn [3d\]: i would guess that B is a stone stronger than W, but who knows
zakatan [3k\]: does the AGA offer pro tests yet?
evanj [3d\]: no
whitetalon [?\]: no
Wiggum [5k\]: no
evanj [3d\]: hard to offer pro tests when there are no pros already
zakatan [3k\]: europe plans to do it i believe
compendium [?\]: these 2 should be about the same strength
zakatan [3k\]: there are plenty
xio [6k\]: european pro would be funny
epion003 [?\]: what a big diff from usgo recorders and eurogo recorders....
whitetalon [?\]: there is already
imtootired [2k\]: i mean the position, not player, which position does.. anybody.. favor?
imtootired [2k\]: :D
Koffein [-\]: g17 ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So if AGA wanted to start a professional association, what would be the way to go about it?
xio [6k\]: "where did you pass your pro exams?" "Budapest" ;)
BobWhoosta [1k\]: You would need to borrow some pros for awhile, or just declare pros right??
evanj [3d\]: yes
brooklyn [3d\]: i dont think anywhere ouside east asia is anywhere near being able to get a real insei program off the ground with competition high enough to produce true pros
crys [?\]: i think b pos is better
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;W[fe]C[nkrach [4k\]: are the two black stones on the right really aji? they look more like a bomb black is waiting to set off
teach [3d\]: is 1p fresh off killing all insei or 5 years into living off the fat of the land?
whitetalon [?\]: You can't just declare a pro.
Koffein [-\]: nkrach: that´s the definition of aji
evanj [3d\]: and then, bob, you'd have to consider whether someone strong enough to be a pro would really want to be one in the AGA rather than in J/C/K
NousAutres [9k\]: i'd prefer black for what it's worth
CptHook [4k\]: b is clearly better.-
mw2a [1k\]: but what is definition of "ajo"?
imtootired [2k\]: hwy?
imtootired [2k\]: why?
Wiggum [5k\]: aji?
zakatan [3k\]: bad aji
zakatan [3k\]: XD
Wiggum [5k\]: aji is taste
Wiggum [5k\]: obv
evanj [3d\]: what's the point of being an American pro? there are no pro tournaments with prizes big enough to live off of
QualityDr [10k?\]: Sure you can, whitetalon. The test is whether they can play at highest levels after that.
playgo [2k\]: g17 is the normal move here
Wiggum [5k\]: evanj:  to have the bragging rights
whitetalon [?\]: evanj: good point
Koffein [-\]: evan: PR
evanj [3d\]: PR for whom?
Koffein [-\]: go
nkrach [4k\]: I guess my thought was that the don't look dead enough :P
BobWhoosta [1k\]: True evanj.
zakatan [3k\]: a pro in not limited to play in his own country
Koffein [-\]: it´s easier to promote go if you have a "professional"
Wiggum [5k\]: there are international tournies no?
brooklyn [3d\]: i dont think you can say b is ahead;  white has komi, also Wp3 - Br3 - Wr2 - Bs3 - Wn2
BobWhoosta [1k\]: nkrach, if Q14 runs out it will make white points on the top.
evanj [3d\]: so you have to attract enough world-class players to forgo association with Japanese, Korean and Chinese associations out of the goodness of their hearts to promote go
Koffein [-\]: like grandmasters in chess .. noone cares about their elo
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So black might want to wait until she has a move on the top big enough to neutralize white's points, then run out.
imtootired [2k\]: im sure many people do care about their elo
evanj [3d\]: frankly I don't ever see it happening
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah evanj, would be really difficult.
Koffein [-\]: imtootired: only chess players
brooklyn [3d\]: maybe i 50 years
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I could see Europe getting strong enough for that though...
NousAutres [9k\]: I think the only way go gets massively popular in the US is some kind of freak fad
zakatan [3k\]: if the asian go associations want to promote go play
mw2a [1k\]: brooklyn, it would be better to enclose w as black if w tries saving stone, no
zakatan [3k\]: it's a good idea to create a professional american ranking
imtootired [2k\]: just sell HnG on some national TV network and u got some promotion right there
evanj [3d\]: the fundamental problem is that you have to create a system of leagues and insei academies and tournaments with substantial prizes out of ... nothing.
imtootired [2k\]: :DD
Wiggum [5k\]: imtootired:  that would do it
NotreDame [21k\]: that's how I found go haha
mw2a [1k\]: then b o14 and w's two stones under attack
Wiggum [5k\]: they would want to dub it though
Wiggum [5k\]: :o
nkrach [4k\]: mmm, I'm certainly not saying to run it out now - I guess I'm just looking for a word to mean aji that is almost certainly going to be developed in a big way
mw2a [1k\]: you found god by watching HnG? odd
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming stepped away from the table just before Yongfei made his move
Wiggum [5k\]: getting more tea
USGO1 [-\]: at the moment, both players are away from the table
evanj [3d\]: I guess the closest model would be the Korean system - when did it get started, and how?
MXHero [3d\]: is this the final round?
clair3lune: anyone knows about the realtion between Mingming & Stephanie ?
evanj [3d\]: no
mw2a [1k\]: usgo, it's nice the aga doesn't discriminate against invisible people
evanj [3d\]: clair: it's the identity relation
SergeyASh [9k\]: And finally
evanj [3d\]: transitive, reflexive and associative
SergeyASh [9k\]: table go away
mw2a [1k\]: stephanie is mingming's english name
QualityDr [10k?\]: I C you're looking stylish as ever, USGO1. Good to see you today, and thanks for your work on our behalf!
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think G17 is the simple move here.
evanj [3d\]: it is, bob, but bear in mind that b has shown no predilection for the simple move
clair3lune: thx mw2a
CptHook [4k\]: o14 is big for both i would play that now
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yes yes, that is also true my friend,.
mw2a [1k\]: np
BobWhoosta [1k\]: G17 is also the complicated move??  ;-P
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Seems it invites white to start a fight, after which I'm assuming black will pour jet fuel on it and light a match.
afefa: e15 
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I DO like this black's style though.
Koffein [-\]: g17 or f17 normal .. but i´m trying to remember g16 .. unusual moves are probably better in this game
Wiggum [5k\]: g17 seems the most natural to me
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming Yin, was born in 1990.  She started to play go at the age of 8, and has studied with Nie Weiping 9P since 2005. She became professional in 2007 and is now studying at Adelphi University in Long Island.
kostuek [3k\]: im bored, play faster
BobWhoosta [1k\]: G16 would be interesting.
nkrach [4k\]: I was kind of hoping for something on the fourth too
NotreDame [21k\]: Wow, that's impressive
Koffein [-\]: f17 c17 d15 c16 e15 and white has the corner .. probably not very promising for black
imtootired [2k\]: any guess how game is going to proceed??
CATYPH [?\]: E15 will be more active
imtootired [2k\]: there it was :DD
Wiggum [5k\]: g16 is cool
evanj [3d\]: doesn't normal G16 sequence result in b big corner, w big influence?
CptHook [4k\]: p12?maybe
playgo [2k\]: d15 is also possible
evanj [3d\]: w might like that given top right situation
Koffein [-\]: black probably does not want to settle shape with e15, since black can fight on the right
afefa: e15 is cooler
kejitsuu [8k\]: d15 doesnt work i think
BobWhoosta [1k\]: USGO, would you mind playing black's move for her?  I'm very sure she wants G17, and her clock is runnning...
imtootired [2k\]: =D
MXHero [3d\]: hehe
Koffein [-\]: bob, i hope you will NEVER broadcast a game ..
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, I wouldn't do it myself Koffein, I don't have a beard.
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei Ge is a Canadian player. He has won the US Open twice, and represented Canada in the 2006 and 2010 World Amateur Go Championship
Gosu [-\]: what's his training?
kostuek [3k\]: sushi
mw2a [1k\]: he spars with manny pacquiao
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming has just returned
NotreDame [21k\]: haha
CptHook [4k\]: if she plays g17 all time was wasted
evanj [3d\]: b can also play down the right side
evanj [3d\]: d9 or so
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;B[fc]C[kejitsuu [8k\]: left side evan. left side.
evanj [3d\]: oh yes, i must be hanging from the ceiling by my ankles
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;W[cc]C[playgo [2k\]: f17 is very conservative, maybe she has a plan :-)
Gosu [-\]: is that comfortable?
coarray [-\]: Is B a Chinese 1P?
kejitsuu [8k\]: only explanation there is.
USGO1 [-\]: yes coarray
nkrach [4k\]: d15?
sparky12 [15k\]: no that wont work
BobWhoosta [1k\]: See??  If USGO had played for black she wouldn't have made such a mistake...
SunnyD [2d\]: how old is yin
coarray [-\]: how old is he?
mw2a [1k\]: this looks bad?
QualityDr [10k?\]: I'm sure F17 is a misclick...
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;W[cd]C[coarray [-\]: may be 15
NotreDame [21k\]: yin is 21
Manest [5k\]: born 90
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think black is becoming very solid so that she can get complicated on the top without troubles.
Koffein [-\]: i´m sure it´s not
playgo [2k\]: still joseki
Seikusa [?\]: he looks like he is around 40
evanj [3d\]: this is completely normal
USGO1 [-\]: did you guys read my earlier post?
Koffein [-\]: e15 
kostuek [3k\]: f17 very usual for pro
mw2a [1k\]: looks good for the black
imtootired [2k\]: hurray kofein got it right
baltimore [3k\]: He's so not 40
BobWhoosta [1k\]: She can't have a weak group if she plans on running out Q14 stones.
imtootired [2k\]: :D
evanj [3d\]: e15 next
Koffein [-\]: usgo, nobody reads anything here ;-)
NotreDame [21k\]: Stephanie's a guy???
mw2a [1k\]: no...
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;B[ee]C[NotreDame [21k\]: why is everyone saying "he" then?
mw2a [1k\]: "kelly can be a guy's name, too"
imtootired [2k\]: i read usgo1's post
evanj [3d\]: i like this for b
evanj [3d\]: given top right
odolany [4k\]: couldn't the camera be on the other side?    the stream would gain 
odolany [4k\]: and i don't mean that then we wouldn't see the scribe ;) which is a rare feature
baltimore [3k\]: the piano the camera attached to is on this side though
Burton [6k\]: Stephanie is to guy as Notre Dame is to martin Luther
Koffein [-\]: a move around l17 looks normal, but r17 is still open ..
CptHook [4k\]: now you see why f17 g17 too long
crys [?\]: strange result for w after c17
baltimore [3k\]: want me to move the piano?
Koffein [-\]: maybe f3 now
kostuek [3k\]: c13 or something
NotreDame [21k\]: Go Irish
playgo [2k\]: locally this is good for white, its a nice corner
mw2a [1k\]: no, we want you to play a fugue
MXHero [3d\]: g17 would not be too far away; the results are totally different
Manest [5k\]: it's nice joseki for white or was a error?
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;W[db]C[playgo [2k\]: black must have preferred thickness
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;B[eb]C[mw2a [1k\]: man, what is your opinion?
nkrach [4k\]: ko?
Burton [6k\]: i think black's center influence is better in this sequence
hnnnn [4k\]: seki
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Manest, white is getting about 10 points in the corner, maybe a hair more, and black is getting a strong position.  It's balanced, and I think on this board it is also balanced.
USGO1 [-\]: several times Mingming starts to play and pulls back to rethink
Manest [5k\]: i think it's not so good, but don't know
Manest [5k\]: ok think
mw2a [1k\]: i like b here better. this thickness will help 014
Manest [5k\]: thank
evanj [3d\]: i thikn b is better here
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;W[fq]C[USGO1 [-\]: Feng Yun 9p is now wathing the game from the sidelines
kostuek [3k\]: nice tenuki, but why d18 then
USGO1 [-\]: *watching
Bauer [1d\]: d18 very questionable
MXHero [3d\]: not questionable
Pyv [5d?\]: after d18-e18, C18 is gote for black
Koffein [-\]: h4 ?
MXHero [3d\]: even if b plays c18, if w plays d16 there is lots of aji
coarray [-\]: Ming Jiu Jiang 9P
MXHero [3d\]: so b c18 feels like a ko even though it looks great
evanj [3d\]: mingjiu jiang 7p, and what about him?
USGO1 [-\]: he's on the other side of the room watch the other boards
coarray [-\]: what about Jie Lee?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Q3 can come back and live anytime right?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But that's become more of a yose thing for now...
compendium [?\]: who is Jie Lee?
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;B[hq]C[USGO1 [-\]: lol
nocturne19 [2d\]: a korean
quicksand [1d\]: Pyv, c18 was gote anyway, even without d18 
whitetalon [?\]: Some dude
Koffein [-\]: usgo1, will usgo4 review a game today?
evanj [3d\]: no it's not, quicksand
QualityDr [10k?\]: I like this pinch, firm and close.
coarray [-\]: Jie Li is ex-NO.1 in USA
Pyv [5d?\]: no , white had to answer c18
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;B[dq]
;W[cp]C[poirette [2d\]: quicksand, b had ko possibility with C&_ - b19 before
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;B[do]
;W[dr]
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;W[cr]
;B[eq]
;W[cn]C[poirette [2d\]: c18*
whitetalon [?\]: nice exchange for w
quicksand [1d\]: yes, but then b has to connect. otherwise no point to play c18. so it is gote for b.
LeT63 [-\]: p3
quicksand [1d\]: what am I missing?
MXHero [3d\]: b connecting is not gote
mw2a [1k\]: i think is good for b
Burton [6k\]: I think B is better here?
Pyv [5d?\]: black doesnt have to connect
compendium [?\]: how is the overall position?
whitetalon [?\]: w has 3 corners
LeT63 [-\]: or o14
buggler [?\]: which area now, the top?
mw2a [1k\]: good, let him have 4 and he will lose
quicksand [1d\]: why would b play c18 then?
Wiggum [5k\]: if w lives in the bottom right w wins
evanj [3d\]: false
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;B[nf]C[mw2a [1k\]: no way, wiggum
Wiggum [5k\]: haha
Wiggum [5k\]: just a joke
buggler [?\]: ahh attack on the w right
]
;W[nh]C[Burton [6k\]: I think white has only the lower left corner 
coarray [-\]: cash or stock,which one do you like?
Wiggum [5k\]: both
GentleGo [-\]: gold!
xio [6k\]: s12
nkrach [4k\]: what is s14 for both players?
mw2a [1k\]: rush limbaugh tells me to buy gold and he is never wrong
Pyv [5d?\]: then c14 is stronger
]
;B[lf]
;W[ld]C[MXHero [3d\]: s14 hurts q12 if w plays it, and it helps q16 if b plays it
playgo [2k\]: r17 maybe
LeT63 [-\]: p9
Pyv [5d?\]: also theb d18 is gote for white
USGO1 [-\]: Mingming frequently reaches out and straightens the stones on the board -- often re-straigntening the same ones
buggler [?\]: now we get a fight
buggler [?\]: or at least an attack
buggler [?\]: mingming needs to make big bottom territory
whitetalon [?\]: Game seems really balanced right nwo
BLikeWater [3d\]: anyone got the link to thes stream?
buggler [?\]: or she will be behind
nkrach [4k\]: wow so bad for both :P
coarray [-\]: cash and stock,both are money in the furture
xio [6k\]: or invade at the top
MXHero [3d\]: w does not have very many points right now; b has nothing to worry about
xio [6k\]: n17?
whitetalon [?\]: exactly
poirette [2d\]: hard to find the next move
imtootired [2k\]: but sometimes your stock loses value
QualityDr [10k?\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live
buggler [?\]: yes well sometimes there's inflation :P
imtootired [2k\]: in go too?
whitetalon [?\]: Yes
mw2a [1k\]: yes, and sometimes the planet gets invaded by aliens and the economy becomes void
]
;B[qc]C[whitetalon [?\]: x_x
coarray [-\]: thickness like stock
buggler [?\]: is r18 the normal move here?
Wiggum [5k\]: no
whitetalon [?\]: No
buggler [?\]: er
buggler [?\]: i mean r16
Seikusa [?\]: hi there castingman in the orange shirt, wave to us :)
whitetalon [?\]: r16 no
whitetalon [?\]: r17 is proper
buggler [?\]: r17 is taken
afefa: s13 possible
Wiggum [5k\]: there is a stone there
mw2a [1k\]: i hope that guy returns to stand in front of the camera
buggler [?\]: i mean for w
mw2a [1k\]: that was awesome
afefa: s16 i mean
buggler [?\]: ah yeah i've seen s16 before too
quicksand [1d\]: it`s q17, r16 or s15 
JEGO [8k\]: is there a video of the Go Open Round?
Yoxo [11k\]: if w s13, b r12 or am i calculating something wrong
baltimore [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
JEGO [8k\]: thanks
playgo [2k\]: white cannot attack m14 so well anymore, so he might as well take sente with q17 
mw2a [1k\]: s13 s14 
afefa: but it seems b is running faster too hard to attack that group
buggler [?\]: coool, i'm watching :)
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: if w plays q17 he wont be able to attack b later
compendium [?\]: q17 is usually not acceptable
afefa: q17 s15 r16 s16 , and s13 will be weak later maybe
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;W[re]
;B[oc]C[whitetalon [?\]: nice
mw2a [1k\]: q17 is defult response
compendium [?\]: p16 o18 n18
coarray [-\]: who is the strongest kid in USA?
kostuek [3k\]: karate kid
Seikusa [?\]: fallout boy?
]
;W[od]C[NousAutres [9k\]: me, probably
]
;B[nb]C[whitetalon [?\]: clark kent of course
mw2a [1k\]: calvin sun probably
]
;W[mb]C[coarray [-\]: U17
norg [6k\]: When do you stop being a kid?
norg [6k\]: Andy Liu is about 18, isn't he?
NousAutres [9k\]: when you're done with schooling
]
;B[rb]C[mw2a [1k\]: andy liu >18
Seikusa [?\]: i think at 12 after that he is a teenager?
NousAutres [9k\]: stay in school forever, never stop being a kid
whitetalon [?\]: B plays nicely
whitetalon [?\]: with great shape
honinboo [5k\]: maybe
norg [6k\]: I agree that Calvin Sun has a ridiculous amount of strength for his age.
whitetalon [?\]: W too
Onihime [3k\]: How old is he?
tisch [8k\]: q18
norg [6k\]: 14
]
;W[oq]C[norg [6k\]: So by extrapolation, he must have achieved 1d at the age of 2.
coarray [-\]: B was No.1 in China Pro. exam 
norg [6k\]: You can't compete with that.
LeT63 [-\]: coa: really?
compendium [?\]: o3 pr p5 s4
compendium [?\]: *p4
USGO1 [-\]: After Michael Chen's second defeat to ZiYang Hu on Tuesday, he was overheard saying, "Kids these days!"
compendium [?\]: lol
coarray [-\]: in 2007
daft [3d\]: my feeling is W is taking the initiative
quicksand [1d\]: why is she still 1p?
coarray [-\]: women group No.1 in 2007
coarray [-\]: study,l think
]
;B[nq]
;W[op]
;B[oo]
;W[rp]
;B[ro]
;W[nr]
;B[mr]
;W[or]C[quicksand [1d\]: yeah, some of these Chinese pros retire at 20 and go to university
]
;B[no]C[Wiggum [5k\]: choosing between go and university :/
whitetalon [?\]: interesting
odolany [4k\]: so called 
odolany [4k\]: 'traitors'? 
xio [6k\]: it's a privilege to have such a choice
whitetalon [?\]: Yea I'd just choose go.
]
;W[sc]C[whitetalon [?\]: =3
]
;B[sb]C[xio [6k\]: you can go to university and still play go, right?
norg [6k\]: Most university subjects are probably a bit more transferable/applicable than Go.
whitetalon [?\]: yes but not at the pro level.
quicksand [1d\]: yes, the university teams in China are super strong
quicksand [1d\]: with former pros
cdpruitt [5k\]: Fudan University team has 5 pros out of 8 players
whitetalon [?\]: wow
daft [3d\]: there is some information about (and a picture of) Stephanie Yin here: http://www.usgo.org/news/2010/10/xu-wins-in-ny-go-center-has-club-pro/
sarmad [1k\]: lower right corner is seki if b plays s2 ?
sarmad [1k\]: in gote tho
sarmad [1k\]: i think
kostuek [3k\]: q19?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black has a lot of influence, needs to attack something heavy..
]
;W[ip]C[crys [?\]: w attacks first :/
redball [?\]: deep
LeT63 [-\]: first interesting move
liverjam99 [2d?\]: j4 looked to be played with much force
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei slams that stone down as forcefully as he can
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This is a serious mistake.
MXHero [3d\]: j4 is not an attack
MXHero [3d\]: yeah, i'm sure that if i played j4 it would be the losing move :)
kostuek [3k\]: sparta attack
michka [2d\]: j4 seems too deep
sarmad [1k\]: can someone tell me what will happen if b plays s2 ?
USGO1 [-\]: It wasn't a super loud clack, but it looked like he put his whole shoulder into it
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: s2 r4?
quicksand [1d\]: it's only too deep if b can cap it
michka [2d\]: j6 seems natural
pushcut [1d\]: if black caps certainly f3 can connect under.
whitetalon [?\]: f3 aji
Danzo [6k\]: some how i love watching that playing
Koffein [-\]: black probably can
liverjam99 [2d?\]: j3 looks submissive, h4 looks overconcentrated, j6 looks overplay
]
;B[in]C[cdpruitt [5k\]: Here we go
liverjam99 [2d?\]: ok :)
LeT63 [-\]: m4
pushcut [1d\]: still maybe its better to ask at f2 first.
]
;W[lq]C[michka [2d\]: j6 not overplay, w is really deep
USGO1 [-\]: another firm placement
]
;B[mq]
;W[hp]C[crys [?\]: davi
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: hane
sarmad [1k\]: s2 r4 q5
sarmad [1k\]: then what?
AmerBeton [5k\]: h3 feels lonely
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie straightens the stones just plaed
sarmad [1k\]: i thought it could be seki but not sure now
USGO1 [-\]: *played
humanity [1d\]: not an easy game for w ... so many groups already which cant really be sacrificed
quicksand [1d\]: d6 first?
Eddy [1d\]: g6?
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei steps away from the table
xio [6k\]: he needs to take a piss perhaps
pkunzip [3d\]: :)
Danzo [6k\]: wow, i didn't notice but white is actually playing with a pro
liverjam99 [2d?\]: g3?
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie checks her opponent's time: he's almost used 30 minutes
kostuek [3k\]: f4
]
;B[gq]C[CptHook [4k\]: q18 kill
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: no
buggler [?\]: yes danzo.  and it makes sense when you see white's position.. white isnt in great shape :/
MXHero [3d\]: q18 does not kill yet; w is too thin
CptHook [4k\]: ahh, sorry t16
waretsuyla [3k\]: t16 not an eye
sarmad [1k\]: nobody has a proper answer to b s2 then? :(
mw2a [1k\]: not t16, o17 sente for nb
MXHero [3d\]: q18 q17 p18 o17 o19 n17 is a problem for w
SergeyASh [9k\]: nice moment - players like make turn then other player go away :)
Danzo [6k\]: white is doing great against a pro
]
;W[gp]C[buggler [?\]: haha she's holding a fan.  sickkk
wach: w cann't kill upper b corner at all
]
;B[fr]C[mw2a [1k\]: back in the olden days, if usgo wanted to communicate with us he'd have to write something on paper and hold it up to the webcam
MXHero [3d\]: if i am not mistaken, 7d is the highest aga ranking so w may be pro strength as well
AmerBeton [5k\]: q18 ?
]
;W[gn]C[Manest [5k\]: q19?
Tiesto [4d\]: aga highest is 8d
BobWhoosta [1k\]: D6 now.
MXHero [3d\]: oh
GodofGo [6d\]: 7d
Wiggum [5k\]: oh yeah that move is important lol
LeT63 [-\]: feels like w´s going for a win
sarmad [1k\]: how come it's only 8d and not 9d?
xio [6k\]: who is 8d?
Danzo [6k\]: WOW, then 7d should be around 2p strength, i guess
DrGoPlayer [3k\]: s2 r4 q5 r2 looks ok
lopeside [3d\]: 7d is highest aga
GodofGo [6d\]: 7d highesttt
Tiesto [4d\]: 8d
kostuek [3k\]: s2 s3 r2 q1 o1 t2 t4 s1 
lopeside [3d\]: rank can go up to 10d aga
Baldanders [6k\]: 8d is allowed if you win the World Amateur Go Championship
pushcut [1d\]: aga 7d is not around 2p strength
lopeside [3d\]: but official rank is 7d max
Baldanders [6k\]: supposedly
USGO1 [-\]: AGA caps amateur ranks at 7d
liverjam99 [2d?\]: i thought highest amateur rating is 7d
USGO1 [-\]: but lets focus on the game
Danzo [6k\]: not around 2p strength? then is it even higher?
mw2a [1k\]: no, the highest RANK is 7d
sarmad [1k\]: kostuek after w r1 b will play r3 
michka [2d\]: i thought w was ahead about territory, hard to understand why he invaded so deeply
MXHero [3d\]: ok, yeah sorry didn't want to distract :)
sarmad [1k\]: and w dies
MXHero [3d\]: this looks terrifying for w!
AmerBeton [5k\]: who cares about highest rank till u dont reach it ?
Gosu [-\]: w in the great wide open. doesn't look that scary
xio [6k\]: it's just interesting
SergeyASh [9k\]: w p19 o19 q18 q17 r19 ?
mw2a [1k\]: yes, but he hasn't got a clue, gosu
kostuek [3k\]: w r1? cant find
coarray [-\]: AGA rank will fall?
buggler [?\]: The buzzing stopped for a second.  damn microphone ;/
lopeside [3d\]: w's plan is territory and live elsewhere
DarkScythe [3d\]: SergeyAsh - after r19 s19 lives
sarmad [1k\]: what's the point of a rank cap at 7d? why not let it go up to 9d?
michka [2d\]: i bet on boshi
michka [2d\]: g8
Danzo [6k\]: white disrupted black's e3 outline
norg [6k\]: What's the point of a rank cap at 9d? Why not let it go up to 11d?
liverjam99 [2d?\]: boshi!
AmerBeton [5k\]: e7 ?
liverjam99 [2d?\]: i'd love to see that
wach: e-7?
CptHook [4k\]: q18 would kill but b runs out
Wiggum [5k\]: norg that is a terrible joke
Bauer [1d\]: it should be hard or impossible to kill a w group
buggler [?\]: it wasnt a joke
wach: i will bet on e-7 or s-3
imtootired [2k\]: it's a good question
imtootired [2k\]: but i think it's because of the history of the ranking system
norg [6k\]: It's not a joke, it is a thinly veiled speculation that the rank cap has to be somewhere, and that 7d is as good a place as any.
kostuek [3k\]: after q1 you mean. yeah q1 prob wrong
LeeTekSum [3d\]: why don't we go r2?
norg [6k\]: Though if you find this amusing, fair do's to you.
liverjam99 [2d?\]: you would think d6, but since b taking such a long time maybe something else
wach: usgo1, did she play yet or u sleeping? :)
OrenIshii [9k\]: AGA has no ranks but a score, so technically the cap is due to some strange conversion from AGA score to Japanese rankings.
AmerBeton [5k\]: why dont we do some elo rank for go ?
Wiggum [5k\]: so back to the game
Meepy [-\]: s2 seems deadly
imtootired [2k\]: as in the Kyu & Dan rankings are present in  martial arts too.. and im sure that the achievement of certain dan level isnt always based to a mathematical strength score... :D
Tiesto [4d\]: thend we have to redo the whole hikaru series
QualityDr [10k?\]: Elo is used some in Go; visit the European Go Congress, look at the crosstables.
mw2a [1k\]: why don't we use geometric shapes for rank?
QualityDr [10k?\]: Some of them list Elo ratings.
mw2a [1k\]: that'd look cool
happyax [9k\]: q1 then either r2 or o1 i think will keep it alive
norg [6k\]: With moves like e2 I usually take the position that since one player is pro and the other is 7d, s2 probably doesn't kill.
norg [6k\]: Though this is probably poor form on my behalf.
ranin19 [9k\]: s2 and q18 maia
liverjam99 [2d?\]: maybe bottom group ko that b cant win?
mw2a [1k\]: 18 does not kill
mw2a [1k\]: 18*
mw2a [1k\]: q18*
sarmad [1k\]: i've cloned the game join me and let's have a look
liverjam99 [2d?\]: b top alive
QualityDr [10k?\]: @mw2a: I think we should use musical tones and chords.
lopeside [3d\]: are there 5 or 6 matches in us open
Mongoose11 [8k\]: b R3 looks dangerous?
mw2a [1k\]: that'd be awesome, too
AmerBeton [5k\]: the melody of strengh
sarmad [1k\]: it's b s2
sarmad [1k\]: not r3
imtootired [2k\]: i mean if the ranking system is set up so that the handicap system persists through out the dan ranks
sarmad [1k\]: r3 just kills 2 stones
sarmad [1k\]: and w lives
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: r3 does nothing
sarmad [1k\]: but s2 seems to kill the whole group
cdpruitt [5k\]: Yes
Mongoose11 [8k\]: ok
MXHero [3d\]: we should use tangrams for our ranking system; maybe j6 is too close to w's group now
mw2a [1k\]: "what rank are you?" "... damn it. assemble the orchestra!"
sarmad [1k\]: can't find a way to live for w after b s2
imtootired [2k\]: then it is for the players to decide what is the highest rank, if you already have decided on any fixed rank :D
coarray [-\]: AGA 7d could be KGS 9d
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: s2 r4 q5 r3 t2 t5 
Koffein [-\]: or 5d
wach: no way
CptHook [4k\]: b r2- ko
wach: kgs dan higher that aga
imtootired [2k\]: but as far as i knwo it's not that the handicap system persists
Danzo [6k\]: wow, really. is kgs really that strong?
BinX [-\]: s3 is a sente reduction, w has only two points and is sealed in
imtootired [2k\]: but i dont know
AmerBeton [5k\]: the first words of my nephew were 'AGA AGA'
coarray [-\]: all KGS 9D are pro.?
imtootired [2k\]: lol.. :D
onirai [14k\]: so does it mean upper part of black and lower part of white is vulnerable?..
imtootired [2k\]: coarray it's possible unless you know one that isnt :D
mw2a [1k\]: actually kgs 9d is pretty pro. or korean first kyu
Tiesto [4d\]: both groups are clearly alive
AmerBeton [5k\]: there's a trick
Danzo [6k\]: wow, i didn't know kgs is this strong
pushcut [1d\]: s2 s3 and black has nothing?
mw2a [1k\]: stable 9d that is. there are a couple flimsy 9d
AmerBeton [5k\]: once uve reach 10p u go back to 30k
KungFuBo [6k\]: prestige mode 30k
wach: few these aga 7 dan stays at 9dan at KGS
AmerBeton [5k\]: improved stats 30k
mw2a [1k\]: name one
wach: more kgs 9 dan are pro 2 or 3 in china or in korean
France1 [5k?\]: KGS 9D=Kornondo=3rd class insei.. not pro.. gave up
mw2a [1k\]: bbw, jie li and they are pretty pro
mw2a [1k\]: korondo was 1st class i thought
gfdhff [4k\]: only asians plays on USGO ahahahaha
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie quickly grabs a stone from her bowl and quickly looks away with a far awy stare and a slightly frustrated look, then puts the stone back in the bowl
LeoMar [4k\]: Dennis, can you tell what part of the board she's looking at now?
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;B[cb]C[LeoMar [4k\]: nevermind :)
quicksand [1d\]: upper left corner
France1 [5k?\]: no korondo was 3rd class Woonsai was firts
AmerBeton [5k\]: she's not looking at the board
imtootired [2k\]: USGO1 the intensity of your observation probably has broken her concentration
imtootired [2k\]: :DDD just joking
mw2a [1k\]: woonsai?
mw2a [1k\]: no idea who that is
]
;W[dd]
;B[ed]
;W[ec]
;B[co]C[AmerBeton [5k\]: hu ??
]
;W[bo]
;B[dc]C[mw2a [1k\]: wow, korondo is strong for 3rd kyu... well not that 3 kyu korean is weak
MXHero [3d\]: now we see that d18 is in a nice spot
France1 [5k?\]: he does t play as ,uch as korondo
kostuek [3k\]: tis should be deep counting
onirai [14k\]: is it ok to aim at c13 for w?..
Danzo [6k\]: this is goint to be a messy ko fight
France1 [5k?\]: Korondo....*
AmerBeton [5k\]: isnt it a bit early for that ko ?
mw2a [1k\]: for reference, dinerchtein was max 6 kyu
buggler [?\]: argh the buzzing stopped for 2 seconds
Lyon [2d\]: C17 is pretty weak if black wins
Mongoose11 [8k\]: both the upper right and lower right groups are big enough for threats, right?
buggler [?\]: then started again
LeT63 [-\]: ko is not good for w
MXHero [3d\]: onirai, b12 is probably slightly better than c13
SergeyASh [9k\]: q17 !
AmerBeton [5k\]: q18
quicksand [1d\]: ko is huge, c16 dies if b wins
wach: if q-17 w will ignore 
SergeyASh [9k\]: q17 more profi
France1 [5k?\]: he a 9d and  3rd on server or something.. he a 7dan in korea.. not 3k
SergeyASh [9k\]: *profit ))
wach: b wil ignore 
skeptical [2d\]: w can't win this ko
MXHero [3d\]: o17? 
mw2a [1k\]: 3k means 3rd class insei
cdpruitt [5k\]: 3k insei
mw2a [1k\]: 3k korean
Mongoose11 [8k\]: Sergey, the trick is to figure out how many threats there are against a group you can get
AmerBeton [5k\]: w can go somewhere to create ajis
cdpruitt [5k\]: Not general ranking 3k
kostuek [3k\]: b18?
Mongoose11 [8k\]: not how damaging they are
Antogo [-\]: Q18?
AmerBeton [5k\]: board is still well opened
MXHero [3d\]: oh maybe c13 is better than b12 if used as a ko threat
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei leans over the board, I assume assessing the ko threat situation
onirai [14k\]: mxhero, is not too far? enough space to make eye?..
CptHook [4k\]: q17 cant ignore but only one treath i think
France1 [5k?\]: ok didn t know cool
coarray [-\]: korea insei are too stronge
Hollumber [2k\]: wow, such a weird looking game
AmerBeton [5k\]: 2 threats actually
Lyon [2d\]: Q18 multiple threats
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;W[bh]C[Antogo [-\]: hmm?
SergeyASh [9k\]: b18, if no threat - any live. Or no?
wach: b will get some pts here
MXHero [3d\]: it's connnected back, but just barely! you should try to read out some of the cutting attempts for yourself :)
DarkScythe [3d\]: w can always draw back with b18 right?
coarray [-\]: quasi-pro.
mw2a [1k\]: i think this is wise choice
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;B[da]C[Antogo [-\]: ßtrange
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yes, but black just got some nasty thickness for free, and white is low.
Danzo [6k\]: um... i guess this ko is quite big too
AmerBeton [5k\]: what strange ?
Danzo [6k\]: f15 is now so hurt
AmerBeton [5k\]: big but gote
MXHero [3d\]: b is very happy to win this ko like this
DerWitt [1d\]: not really free though
kostuek [3k\]: strange order?
buggler [?\]: w's group up the top isnt in nice shape
AmerBeton [5k\]: at this stage i dont feel its a good trade
mw2a [1k\]: yeah, but if w fights he loses a corner
buggler [?\]: and left group is really low
Odwalla [3k\]: W got a free move a while back though. 
liverjam99 [2d?\]: if this sente b very happy
MXHero [3d\]: w b12 is a really unfortunate move to have to make, even in "sente"
brooklyn [3d\]: b extremely thick now
afefa: w is looking weaker and weaker everywhere
mw2a [1k\]: don't insult b, brooklyn
Mongoose11 [8k\]: n17 seems urgent with b's new thickness
DerWitt [1d\]: so next attack M16?
AmerBeton [5k\]: k15 ?
Mongoose11 [8k\]: n17 area, that is
brooklyn [3d\]: b very patient, this is the calm before the shitstorm. . . 
mw2a [1k\]: brooklyn, are you named after the bridge or the gargoyle (which would also mean you were named after the bridge)?
buggler [?\]: this game will be instructive
buggler [?\]: on how to use strong influence
buggler [?\]: to win go
AmerBeton [5k\]: the gargoyle ?
Burton [6k\]: watch the language
liverjam99 [2d?\]: b12 now?
brooklyn [3d\]: ummm, the borough, from which the bridge is named.  i'm from there
ranin19 [9k\]: white q6?
wach: b-12 seems only choice
mw2a [1k\]: i see
kostuek [3k\]: u lag liver
wach: c-10 kind of weak
coarray [-\]: JOANNE was NO.2 in China Pro. exam
coarray [-\]: in 2008
compendium [?\]: cool
AmerBeton [5k\]: but a man was number 1
evanj [3d\]: ... and who is Joanne?
tamagotchi [8k\]: ^^
BLikeWater [3d\]: only two graduate right?
BLikeWater [3d\]: like hikaru
coarray [-\]: women group
AmerBeton [5k\]: why do they have to do group for women ?
Danzo [6k\]: who is hikaru?
AmerBeton [5k\]: are they weak ?
liverjam99 [2d?\]: or maybe tenuki. c16 stones not so important now b so strong in top?
BLikeWater [3d\]: their strength is not as strong as men yet
BLikeWater [3d\]: so they have to have their own group
coarray [-\]: girls are weaker than boys
AmerBeton [5k\]: dont they have enough time taking care already of children and laundry ?
Burton [6k\]: Hikaru from manga about GO called"Hikaru No Go"
Danzo [6k\]: ... so hikaru is some virtual guy... i thought he is a real pro
Burton [6k\]: virtual
afefa: i could be a pro if i decided to, but i just decide not to....
compendium [?\]: who is leading?
AmerBeton [5k\]: yep a real pro
AmerBeton [5k\]: and a real ghost too
BobWhoosta [1k\]: White has so many weaknesses, and not a huge amount of territory.
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;W[qp]C[brooklyn [3d\]: i love b
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Looks like white will get the left side, but each move there seems more like yose than middlegame anyway.
OrenIshii [9k\]: Does she return your feelings?
AmerBeton [5k\]: go and marry her then
BLikeWater [3d\]: i think it's better to zoom into face shots, since we can see that board anyway
brooklyn [3d\]: G6 and O12 are shakin in their boots
ranin19 [9k\]: w o13
Danzo [6k\]: i guess connect here is fine. does white have to play s2 to be alive?
AmerBeton [5k\]: im not very found of b
ranin19 [9k\]: s13
MXHero [3d\]: w needs to get something like k14 before b
cdpruitt [5k\]: O13 makes white more heavy
Improve [1d\]: this looks similar to some shusaku game position.. where w played s2 and shusaku played t2 to live in ko, but i am not reading it or looking at it
Improve [1d\]: it just looks similar:p
ranin19 [9k\]: white s13 
liverjam99 [2d?\]: looks like b isnt going to answer ateri
GoSuGo [4d\]: hi MXHero
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;B[po]C[MXHero [3d\]: hey gosugo
]
;W[rr]C[michka [2d\]: ouh
michka [2d\]: she didn't play r7
afefa: now only 4 weak groups to worry about
AmerBeton [5k\]: lol
GoSuGo [4d\]: game?
buggler [?\]: now here comes blacks big sente rampage
compendium [?\]: something around s13
SaturnYear [4k\]: s2 amazing
MXHero [3d\]: i'm too interested in kibitzing right now, let's play some other time?
brooklyn [3d\]: s12?
evanj [3d\]: why?
buggler [?\]: how is s2 amazing
GoSuGo [4d\]: ok :P
MXHero [3d\]: :)
TurtleDove [5k\]: weak groups are essential to an interesting game
buggler [?\]: mxhero loves kibitz
OrenIshii [9k\]: R11?
brooklyn [3d\]: was w dead in ko or something?
Lyon [2d\]: where is the next move?
Lyon [2d\]: G8
SaturnYear [4k\]: it's kind of joke!
Lyon [2d\]: i call
buggler [?\]: the next move will be up the top ?
michka [2d\]: next yose move ?
blacklabel [1d\]: a-t / 1-19
Antogo [-\]: XD
Lyon [2d\]: everyone wage on the next move
kostuek [3k\]: p11
evanj [3d\]: what do you propose doing if b plays s2
Danzo [6k\]: j14 seems interesting
Lyon [2d\]: i call G8, i bet infinity dollars
MXHero [3d\]: k14, please!
LeT63 [-\]: around b12
kostuek [3k\]: are u FED?
Lyon [2d\]: i'd play K16 if i played up there
blacklabel [1d\]: s14
BLikeWater [3d\]: i say s12
teach [3d\]: b s12
buggler [?\]: s12 maybe to remove a base?
liverjam99 [2d?\]: looks like w two weak groups can connect, so black move around s14 / r12 to keep both weak?
michka [2d\]: i bet on q10
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;B[ok]C[buggler [?\]: haha blikewater
michka [2d\]: missed
blacklabel [1d\]: p9 lets w connect
evanj [3d\]: everyone loses
MXHero [3d\]: nice michka
LeT63 [-\]: s13
Lyon [2d\]: no one got it, i keep my infinity dollars
blacklabel [1d\]: i thought p9 but went for cut first
OrenIshii [9k\]: but had to be right side
coarray [-\]: attack
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie gets up and takes her empty coffee cup
BLikeWater [3d\]: s13 is too good
buggler [?\]: now w will probably s12
brooklyn [3d\]: i thought same as blacklabel
BLikeWater [3d\]: for w
ranin19 [9k\]: g8 is coming soon
blacklabel [1d\]: but s13 is submissve
blacklabel [1d\]: so p9 seems  reasonable
LeoMar [4k\]: i was considering p9, but then i thought it would encourage w to attack o14 stones
Danzo [6k\]: i dont this g8 will be coming soon... 
LeeSeTroll [3d\]: s13 is not submissive
BLikeWater [3d\]: i wouldnt call connecting two weak group submissive
MXHero [3d\]: i think i would, here
blacklabel [1d\]: true also
MXHero [3d\]: but maybe it is needed
michka [2d\]: s13 is second line
evanj [3d\]: s13 also floats b's 4 stones
michka [2d\]: HA HA HA
Bauer [1d\]: s13 is wise, not submissive
MXHero [3d\]: wisdom might not be enough to win this one :)
blacklabel [1d\]: wisemissive
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei  bounces his legs under the table as hi sits on the edge of his seat
AmerBeton [5k\]: sometimes its pretty cool being submissive, especially with leather and whips
michka [2d\]: g6 feels lonely
whitetalon [?\]: please keep the focus on the game.
blacklabel [1d\]: ???
CptHook [4k\]: i say q9
ranin19 [9k\]: w s13 b m12
blacklabel [1d\]: we are doing nothing else---
AmerBeton [5k\]: the 2 players are already focused on the game
TurtleDove [5k\]: p14 look playable
evanj [3d\]: Amer, you are aware, are you not, that your comments will be archived as part of the AGA's official record of this game?
AmerBeton [5k\]: ahahaha
michka [2d\]: lol
AmerBeton [5k\]: nice
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;W[rg]C[Theo93 [5k\]: LOL
AmerBeton [5k\]: someday a guy will read this in the future
Bauer [1d\]: ha
buggler [?\]: ohh.  damn.  I thought of a good joke and didn't say it, I probably would have if it was going to be 'official'
evanj [3d\]: Available to all AGA members through the weekly E-Journal and through their website, www.usgo.org
liverjam99 [2d?\]: w sooooo submissive :-)
michka [2d\]: s13 he he
Wiggum [5k\]: d6 now?
whitetalon [?\]: s13 is a basic go principle.
brooklyn [3d\]: B11?
brooklyn [3d\]: or attack g6 group first...
evanj [3d\]: wonder what USGO1 is reading
BLikeWater [3d\]: maybe e7
Improve [1d\]: m12 or d6
brooklyn [3d\]: where are the players. . 
evanj [3d\]: they're right behind you
buggler [?\]: s10 ?
Tryss [2k?\]: in bordeau
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 is reading the pro profiles in the Congress handbook
AmerBeton [5k\]: its direct broadcast from mars
USGO1 [-\]: while waiting for the players to retun to the table
blacklabel [1d\]: b can cut of p12 if he wants later
Danzo [6k\]: i'm thinking of j8
liverjam99 [2d?\]: b11 then w c11 and sacrifuce top for ponuki&sente, no?
blacklabel [1d\]: so maybe h8?
afefa: k10 of course
MXHero [3d\]: b must feel very good about this result
kostuek [3k\]: r10?
Improve [1d\]: b has very very little territory..
Zen19P: i dont understand why w didnt play a ko threat
Zen19P: instead of b12
Improve [1d\]: if he can't attack something well he loses
Improve [1d\]: she
evanj [3d\]: so does w, improve
USGO1 [-\]: Black has 1:50 and White has 1:17 on the clock
AmerBeton [5k\]: w has some cash
USGO1 [-\]: *1:05 on black's  clock
MXHero [3d\]: w has ~35 points
evanj [3d\]: i was about to say... b has only used 10 minutes??! :D
AmerBeton [5k\]: and b influence dont do anything right now
MXHero [3d\]: b has ~15 not counting the thickness as being worth anything
AmerBeton [5k\]: but im a poor kyu
Danzo [6k\]: influence will do something eventually
USGO1 [-\]: sorry... there was an 0 and a 5 in there somewhere
Improve [1d\]: not always:p
cdpruitt [5k\]: Black's influence does a lot, I would say
daft [3d\]: B has ~40 I think
cdpruitt [5k\]: W weak in many places
BLikeWater [3d\]: actually
BLikeWater [3d\]: f7
BLikeWater [3d\]: is a good attack
daft [3d\]: (if you take the influence into account)
AmerBeton [5k\]: is it me or o14 group feels under pressure
liverjam99 [2d?\]: d6 then g8?
Danzo [6k\]: it is just you
Improve [1d\]: as far as points goes, she only has like 11, obviously will get more
evanj [3d\]: you mean just because it has no base or eye shape?
daft [3d\]: so it looks like a fairly balanced game
handyman [1d\]: e7 i guess
daft [3d\]: B has to take care of M14 group and W has to take care of G6 group
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I like E7 here.
ranin19 [9k\]: b m12
daft [3d\]: maybe it looks a little more risky for W on account of B having so much thickness and also B12 is not that strong
Improve [1d\]: i still thinks, considering w is poking into every area that black stands to build any territory in, she has to attack successfully or it will look bad
coarray [-\]: why not Jie Li take part in USGO?
Zen19P: i think b can still attack b12 and g6 and use the b6 aji to at least get a good result
mw2a [1k\]: p9... called it
compendium [?\]: p9 was really not good
mw2a [1k\]: p9 is looking to attack h4
compendium [?\]: nah
Diabolus [3k\]: r11
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei points to his last move as they both sit back down
mw2a [1k\]: can't trust a "[?\]"
evanj [3d\]: this [?\] is significantly stronger than you, mw2a
USGO1 [-\]: that "[?\]" is one of the strongest young players in the US
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;B[ko]C[AWP: true dat
mw2a [1k\]: that"[?\]" could have also been 20k
AWP: nah
AWP: he could be playing here
AWP: for srs
tamagotchi [8k\]: ^^
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;W[iq]C[ranin19 [9k\]: b around d7
USGO1 [-\]: he placed 3rd in this years WAGC representing the US
teach [3d\]: w got some 20 pts and is on the run everywhere
LeT63 [-\]: i see only one weak w group
Mongoose11 [8k\]: L2 or similar here?
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;B[cm]C[coarray [-\]: w cash,b stock
mw2a [1k\]: w not much cash
USGO1 [-\]: Several games in the room are finishing up, the noise level is starting to increase
TurtleDove [5k\]: c8, make a stack
mw2a [1k\]: c8 is not good, i think
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie seems distracted by it at times, but Yongfei seems unfazed
Diabolus [3k\]: b6
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: Now that's true.
compendium [?\]: L5-J3 exchange is a little weird
MXHero [3d\]: weird for w or b?
compendium [?\]: now w is almost alive
GentleGo [-\]: headache?
cdpruitt [5k\]: Well..... I'd say about....
cdpruitt [5k\]: 14 kyu.
Higanbana [?\]: is this one streamed?
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;W[bn]C[evanj [3d\]: yes
ranin19 [9k\]: w d6
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: B has to put da pressssure on white.
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;B[dn]C[Higanbana [?\]: link please?
mw2a [1k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Higanbana [?\]: thanks
compendium [?\]: g8
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;W[fp]C[compendium [?\]: f4 seems better
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;B[el]
;W[gl]C[MXHero [3d\]: w still only has 1 eye on the bottom right?
]
;B[bi]C[evanj [3d\]: what?! how?
MXHero [3d\]: or, i mean, "correct?"
Mongoose11 [8k\]: he means "bottom, right?"
MXHero [3d\]: not the bottom right group lol
evanj [3d\]: oh :D
MXHero [3d\]: yeah haha sorry
evanj [3d\]: i thought you had some super tsumego tesuji you were modestly withholding
mw2a [1k\]: 1 eye sente though
Bauer [1d\]: no, w has no eye at the bottom
MXHero [3d\]: i'm sure that would surprise w a bit :)
Mongoose11 [8k\]: this is sente against c16, right?
mw2a [1k\]: well, not sente
mw2a [1k\]: but he could threaten to connect under
dan2dan [1d\]: where is b points?
GentleGo [-\]: he's getting it now?
evanj [3d\]: they will appear dramatically at the last moment
dan2dan [1d\]: lies
Mongoose11 [8k\]: b's equity all tied up in stocks. I think he'll get some around C9, some around N7, some around H18
athenus [7k\]: 7d has chances against 1p?
evanj [3d\]: b is female, everyone
dan2dan [1d\]: who's 1p
mw2a [1k\]: rank should be hidden
imtootired [2k\]: i know that tesuji o1 p1 r2 r3 flying unicorn chased by ufos!  r3 s3 q1
norg [6k\]: You can tell because his name is Stephanie.
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: B has to make about twenty points. Assuming she gets sente to play around k17, I think she'll manage.
athenus [7k\]: rank should be hidden?
mw2a [1k\]: i agree
Mongoose11 [8k\]: I'd like that, actually
imtootired [2k\]: just silly joke sorry.. 
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;W[ci]C[evanj [3d\]: why should rank be hidden?
GentleGo [-\]: if ranks are hidden then they won't have a chance to show off
dan2dan [1d\]: omg
dan2dan [1d\]: what
compendium [?\]: p9 was too kind on w
MXHero [3d\]: wow the game just got amazing
compendium [?\]: but w's position is still not that promising
evanj [3d\]: this is bold
mw2a [1k\]: yes, i like showing off my hyphen, too
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;B[ch]
;W[bj]C[dan2dan [1d\]: wthh
mw2a [1k\]: b want to counterattack
dan2dan [1d\]: whatt??
dan2dan [1d\]: no way
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;B[di]C[YangXu [4d\]: wow =0
mw2a [1k\]: err, w
MXHero [3d\]: nice!
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: Is sente worth that much...?
dan2dan [1d\]: w is d-d-d-d-d-d-dominating
GentleGo [-\]: massive kill?
YangXu [4d\]: ni like this move =0
MXHero [3d\]: it's not clear who is happy yet
imtootired [2k\]: d-d-d-d-dying in bottom :DD
dan2dan [1d\]: b cant come out too badly here
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: I guess w couldn't bear having to take gote after b double hane.
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;W[ai]C[mw2a [1k\]: w obviously thought he'd lose if he just lived
dan2dan [1d\]: gonan get influence against w weak group
]
;B[cj]C[Mongoose11 [8k\]: b b13?
evanj [3d\]: b13 b14
dan2dan [1d\]: is b's E11 really the best move?
waretsuyla [3k\]: b13 c13 better
dan2dan [1d\]: i knwo its standard in many josekis..
dan2dan [1d\]: but ...
SaturnYear [4k\]: what is B doing?
MXHero [3d\]: do you mean b's d11?
dan2dan [1d\]: yea
waretsuyla [3k\]: ah no
dan2dan [1d\]: srry
dan2dan [1d\]: lol
BobWhoosta [1k\]: MX, you're missing a great review.
dan2dan [1d\]: what do u think
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;W[ck]C[MXHero [3d\]: i think that, if b just plays b13 a11 c14, then w e10 is really crazily good
CptHook [4k\]: bb 3 doesnt work
MXHero [3d\]: oh thanks bob i forgot!
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei had his prisoner stones on the table in fornt of him, and almost played a black stone by mistake
CptHook [4k\]: 13*
Bauer [1d\]: w is a female worrior
mw2a [1k\]: worrier?
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;B[dj]C[Bauer [1d\]: amazon
Blaubaer [6d?\]: hehe USGO! this would ve been an illegal move?
]
;W[bg]C[dan2dan [1d\]: what happens if he does that?
dan2dan [1d\]: AUTO LOSS?
Blaubaer [6d?\]: USGO1 :-)
evanj [3d\]: w would have forfeited the game and been deported back to canada
dan2dan [1d\]: lies.
Mongoose11 [8k\]: new go variant: at the beginning of each game, each player gets a random number from 1-50. on that numbered stone, they play a stone of the opposite color in stead of the correct one.
SaturnYear [4k\]: B aiming to kill g6?
YangXu [4d\]: h7 g7 h9 now?
USGO1 [-\]: I think the players would have been able to resolve that without any TD assistnace
evanj [3d\]: so what did w gain in this sequence
compendium [?\]: auto loss if b were breakfast 
Danzo [6k\]: white gain a even weaker g4 group
CptHook [4k\]: good question almoust nothing
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;B[fm]C[Elscouta [1d\]: Mongoose : there is actually a variant where you mix some number of opponent stones in the board, and you don't know what stone you take before playing your move
Elscouta [1d\]: it's extremely random
Elscouta [1d\]: playing ladder is discouraged
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: Yeah, lottery go. Always fun.
MXHero [3d\]: hah that's funny elscouta
baltimore [3k\]: we had a triple ko on board 7
dan2dan [1d\]: noway
compendium [?\]: wow
Mongoose11 [8k\]: how does this tournament resolve those?
dan2dan [1d\]: TIE
dan2dan [1d\]: obv
evanj [3d\]: congress cancelled
compendium [?\]: whose game?
USGO1 [-\]: Seriously? so they are replaying?
baltimore [3k\]: well in AGA rules you just cant repeat the board position with the same player to move so that person has to play elsewhere
baltimore [3k\]: but in this case they didn't follow the rulesand just kept playing and lost track of the order
evanj [3d\]: haha
USGO1 [-\]: Bill Lin vs Zhi Rui Yang
GoblinxD [3k\]: I guess this in a school right?
gogonuts [4d\]: w needs a decent attack on those w stones
dan2dan [1d\]: w attacks himself?
GoblinxD [3k\]: a school go champion chip
mw2a [1k\]: w is emo
baltimore [3k\]: so they stopped and called for a TD so I went over first and started piecing together what happened, and learned that they couldn't remember the order and had played too many times
gogonuts [4d\]: whats that rattling sound in the video?
USGO1 [-\]: stones
mw2a [1k\]: baltimore typing
mw2a [1k\]: i presume
USGO1 [-\]: that too
baltimore [3k\]: so by thattime another td came and made the ruling they had (me typing this) to replay
evanj [3d\]: so they are starting over?
compendium [?\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: that's hilarious
USGO1 [-\]: looks like it
evanj [3d\]: oops
gogonuts [4d\]: a blogger right besides the micro?
evanj [3d\]: hope they didn't ahve any plans today
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;W[im]
;B[jm]
;W[il]C[YangXu [4d\]: >.<
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;B[jl]C[siruos [?\]: AGA rules disallow repeating the same board position, regardless of player-to-move, viz., positional superko.
baltimore [3k\]: i'm using my laptop to send the camera's data to the internet, so when itype, it clicks the internal mic
]
;W[ik]C[evanj [3d\]: maybe their second game will have a triple ko too
dan2dan [1d\]: so if b doesnt kill this...
coarray [-\]:  AGA rules like Chinese rules?
GoblinxD [3k\]: ya I guess
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;B[jk]C[coarray [-\]: 7.5 komi?
gogonuts [4d\]: b sure is patient
buggler [?\]: h6 ?
Mongoose11 [8k\]: if he doesn't kill this then he gets large territory around N7 anyway
evanj [3d\]: she
YangXu [4d\]: would b play k17 soon?
gogonuts [4d\]: b is a she
Mongoose11 [8k\]: blah, keep forgetting that
mw2a [1k\]: k17 sure looks large
SHeeeeeeet [3k\]: W whole left side is just a low rider.
cdpruitt [5k\]: Black's going to wail on Q12 soon anyway
evanj [3d\]: b already has more points in the center than w has on the left side
Diabolus [3k\]: b r11 is option ? 
coarray [-\]: stock become cash
Mongoose11 [8k\]: w tennuki, b j10, w dies for sure?
gogonuts [4d\]: b has some trouble really staking out a big territory because of the b string of stones in the upper right
GoblinxD [3k\]: w h6?
cdpruitt [5k\]: That's faor
GoblinxD [3k\]: h6
cdpruitt [5k\]: *fair
GoblinxD [3k\]: thats the best for w
GoblinxD [3k\]: h6
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;W[hn]C[GoblinxD [3k\]: is w trying to live?
GoblinxD [3k\]: yay
dan2dan [1d\]: no kidding
GoblinxD [3k\]: I got it right!
gogonuts [4d\]: :-)
GoblinxD [3k\]: h6!
buggler [?\]: same ^_^
buggler [?\]: (and i said it first ! :P)
]
;B[ij]C[dan2dan [1d\]: OOH territory inc
GoblinxD [3k\]: no
MXHero [3d\]: b has found points!
cdpruitt [5k\]: It's hammer time
GoblinxD [3k\]: you did not buggler
Diabolus [3k\]: w seems + 10 points 
GoblinxD [3k\]: I said it first
buggler [?\]: read up.
GoblinxD [3k\]: ok
GoblinxD [3k\]: let me se
GoblinxD [3k\]: e
compendium [?\]: wow, h6 really surprising
mw2a [1k\]: relax, no one cares
gogonuts [4d\]: b really needs to keep sente here
GoblinxD [3k\]: you did!
GoblinxD [3k\]: sry
GoblinxD [3k\]: I did not see
GoblinxD [3k\]: you said it first
buggler [?\]: heh i was only kidding anyway.  we are both right.  now lets enjoy the game
]
;W[jn]C[Verse [2k\]: so white can live a few ways here, but I don't see a sente way
]
;B[kn]C[gogonuts [4d\]: you should squabble over it some more
GoblinxD [3k\]: why do w have to do k6?
buggler [?\]: now w can have easy life with k5
GoblinxD [3k\]: no reason
gogonuts [4d\]: w wants sente too :-)
MXHero [3d\]: tenuki!
GoblinxD [3k\]: k5 k4 j5 k3 
YangXu [4d\]: yeah
Verse [2k\]: with j2 white can live after tenuki?
illa [2k\]: g10
Mongoose11 [8k\]: p9 looks slightly better in view of this new wall?
LeT63 [-\]: you bet
Verse [2k\]: hmm k4,k5, j2, g2, g7... ... white not quite alive.
MXHero [3d\]: k6 creates a whole eye in sente at g5
GoblinxD [3k\]: h17 
GoblinxD [3k\]: that is big for now
Verse [2k\]: I only see a gote eye at g5
mw2a [1k\]: baltimore is scrolling up
gogonuts [4d\]: living is easy, but w is thinking of tenuki
buggler [?\]: jennie suggesting k15 as the follow up if w lives here.
buggler [?\]: i mean spends a move to live here
Verse [2k\]: white badly wants to tenuki, but I don't think he can
MXHero [3d\]: if b plays f5, then w just k5
LeoMar [4k\]: Jennie's review got to this point of the game, she's commenting on this position now
gogonuts [4d\]: j15 would be very important
gogonuts [4d\]: i have a feeling w wont allow it
GoblinxD [3k\]: it looks like w is winning
buggler [?\]: jennie thinks w can tenuki.
gogonuts [4d\]: w must tenuki
gogonuts [4d\]: otherwise b gets a too good position
gogonuts [4d\]: w will risk a lot for sente
GoblinxD [3k\]: this is taking too long for me
mw2a [1k\]: w must tenuki if he can live of course
mw2a [1k\]: thanks for updating us on your add, goblin
YangXu [4d\]: USGO, what is the time for both players
YangXu [4d\]: ?
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;W[pj]C[Verse [2k\]: I think bJ5 may kill
gogonuts [4d\]: this is were amateurs say: maybe alive and pros do the reading :-)
buggler [?\]: j5 doesnt kill
mw2a [1k\]: j5 h5 k5 g7 
mw2a [1k\]: or something
mw2a [1k\]: np if j5
buggler [?\]: yes and also j2 and m2
Verse [2k\]: mw2a that's one eye in gote
USGO1 [-\]: I can only see white's clock. He has 51 mins. I imagine black has close to the same +/- a few
mw2a [1k\]: yes, and leave miai for 2nd eye
mw2a [1k\]: and may not even be best sequence. my point was it's alive
Verse [2k\]: what miai?
mw2a [1k\]: alive (if j5 at least)
gogonuts [4d\]: b in need of a plan . losing sente was a setback
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;B[bm]C[MXHero [3d\]: interesting that w didn't take the seemingly urgent k15 point
gogonuts [4d\]: its not urgent for both :-)
seeblick [1d\]: b r11 seemed very uncomfortable for w
compendium [?\]: seems w was afraid of something
Mongoose11 [8k\]: the heck is b7?
gogonuts [4d\]: with the w weakness on the right k15 would have been a great b develepment move
gogonuts [4d\]: not interesting anymore
Verse [2k\]: mw2a explain to me where white gets the second eye after g7, I do not see it
Verse [2k\]: or clone the game please
mw2a [1k\]: f5 or start w/ j2
Verse [2k\]: yes, I'm not seeing a second eye even with that
MXHero [3d\]: because of the tesuji at a7, b can cut off the c9 stone later on
]
;W[bb]C[gogonuts [4d\]: yes but it still seems kind of small fry
Verse [2k\]: I mean it's clear there must be some way to live or white would never have tenukied, I just can't find it after bJ5
MXHero [3d\]: yeah not yet :)
DarkScythe [3d\]: judging from w's move I think a7 threatesn the left :)
MXHero [3d\]: but b7 is really big because of that
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;B[hj]C[Verse [2k\]: ah nvm found it, wK4
gogonuts [4d\]: now that has the distinct smell of sente :-)
buggler [?\]: i think b doing wonderfully in this game
buggler [?\]: so nice to see that top side thicness work to make this big terr
cdpruitt [5k\]: Agreed
dan2dan [1d\]: verse, show me?
buggler [?\]: and esp how the bottom moyo didnt actually make any territory in itself
buggler [?\]: but it supported the construction of this centre terr through an attack
Verse [2k\]: dan2dan, cloned
MXHero [3d\]: still tenuki
MXHero [3d\]: oh hmm
kostuek [3k\]: b + 5.5
gogonuts [4d\]: thank you kostuek
kostuek [3k\]: yw
MXHero [3d\]: yeah still tenuki!
Nation [4k\]: yep tenuki
MXHero [3d\]: b's next sequence is sente and huge, but it's not k15
dan2dan [1d\]: what is it then
dan2dan [1d\]: :O
MXHero [3d\]: well it would be an attack on h4 after w ignores this move
edenchen [3k\]: uhg
go1d [6d\]: w shouldn't tenuki
edenchen [3k\]: b+Time
edenchen [3k\]: I guess
edenchen [3k\]: not serious
gogonuts [4d\]: what is bs next attacking move if w tenukies?
curelybb [5k\]: W has a few way to alive... 
curelybb [5k\]: J5 is poor
MXHero [3d\]: might be j2 next
MXHero [3d\]: (by b)
edenchen [3k\]: h17 
edenchen [3k\]: w
MXHero [3d\]: h17 is a horrid overplay, i have to say
dan2dan [1d\]: lol
Nation [4k\]: too close 
edenchen [3k\]: j17 
edenchen [3k\]: I mean
edenchen [3k\]: j17?
dan2dan [1d\]: K15
MXHero [3d\]: that seems more realistic :)
edenchen [3k\]: what about that?
dan2dan [1d\]: not j17
cloudo [1k\]: no u didnt
edenchen [3k\]: j17
edenchen [3k\]: why not j17
USGO1 [-\]: both players appear to be counting, or assessing the status of various groups as their eys scan various parts of the board
dan2dan [1d\]: center big
MXHero [3d\]: because b still gets the center
mw2a [1k\]: mxhero, you should have seen how far back you could have gotten him to go
MXHero [3d\]: haha mw
Nation [4k\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: l17 is tesuji for w! :P
gosta [?\]: w must live by threatening to cut e8 off
gogonuts [4d\]: tenuki costs the 3 w center stones?
MXHero [3d\]: w has no way to endanger b's group since b has a7 and b9
gogonuts [4d\]: b would prob start with g9
gogonuts [4d\]: that makes an eye there impossible
gogonuts [4d\]: if w then makes an eye on the edge b captures k6 in sente
Chadzy [6k\]: yongfei looks soo distressed
gogonuts [4d\]: so b can then pick off 3 stones
MXHero [3d\]: i don't see how to capture those 3 stones
gogonuts [4d\]: b h9, how do you answer?
DarkScythe [3d\]: but if g9 can't w capture with j5? Or did I miss something?
MXHero [3d\]: k5
Chadzy [6k\]: k15?
gogonuts [4d\]: thats extremly dangerous
MXHero [3d\]: hmm i will look closer
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;W[lr]C[mw2a [1k\]: w pussed out
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei exhales heavily as he plays this stone
Chadzy [6k\]: around k15 for b
Danzo [6k\]: white must play this... great h10 by black
MXHero [3d\]: i wish i could see why m2 is needed :(
mw2a [1k\]: q10 must be too slow
michka [2d\]: he exhaled because a gorgeous girl was working nearby and he was about to forget his clock :o)
iplayldrs [2k\]: k15 or l16 for b makes a very large center territory
siruos [?\]: I agree, Black now gets to take yet another center point.  How can White keep the game close?
michka [2d\]: working _> walking, sry
USGO1 [-\]: both players return to the table now
mw2a [1k\]: can naim also play in open?
MXHero [3d\]: maybe m2 is not actually needed to live, but the attack b would have is extremely good
mw2a [1k\]: yes, i guess so
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie re-straightens the stones around m16 several times now
USGO1 [-\]: now she picks up her fan and opens and closes it several times
Chadzy [6k\]: if b wants she can attack with m4
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei seems relaxed as he sits back in his chair
cloudo [1k\]: he will not be so relaxed after the next maove it seems
Verse [2k\]: resigned and relaxed can look much the same
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Differnt type of smile, Verse.
compendium [?\]: yongfei is strong in late game
Verse [2k\]: that said, black will have to carve a lot out of the center to match white's territory
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie allows herself to be distracted by the spectators momentarily
USGO1 [-\]: she takes a couple of stones from the bowl and puts them on the table in fornt of her
covtxrider [9k\]: kgs needs golf clap sound feature
norg [6k\]: When I am 7d I am going to compose songs about the opponents I feel are most likely to beat me.
norg [6k\]: I am then going to play them on headphones whilst playing, but loud enough so the opponent can hear.
QualityDr [10k?\]: @covtxrider: Why? We already have one-handed clap feature...
Chadzy [6k\]: any oppinions on k15 b?
athenus [7k\]: whats happening
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei checks the time, then his clock
USGO1 [-\]: they are discussing breaking for lunch
athenus [7k\]: isnt it him to turn
QualityDr [10k?\]: Seems B is fairly behind in cold, hard cash. Needs to get center points, maybe some on top.
cloudo [1k\]: nono
cloudo [1k\]: no lunch for u till this is finished... :(
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie will seal her next move, and they will return at 12:45
NousAutres [9k\]: more food = more brainpower = better performance
USGO1 [-\]: (about 45 minutes from now)
NousAutres [9k\]: lunch is the foundation of good go
cloudo [1k\]: sometimes its good the now what its menas to be hungry
cloudo [1k\]: know*
blacklabel [1d\]: less food, more desire, better preformance
blacklabel [1d\]: can also argue other way
USGO1 [-\]: black has 34 mins and white has 36 mins on the clock
Gerlige [14k\]: less food, less blood in stomach, more blood in brain :)
mw2a [1k\]: less food, more hunger, tasty go stones
blacklabel [1d\]: yeah
Blakharaz [2d\]: blood in stomach? urgh...
Gerlige [14k\]: soory i dunno right word
cloudo [1k\]: u prefer the term chakra instead?
blacklabel [1d\]: raw steak yes :D
Danzo [6k\]: arh... why lunch now... i cannot wait for so long
athenus [7k\]: will they be able to shut off the game for diner?
athenus [7k\]: /luch
athenus [7k\]: lunch
USGO1 [-\]: the TD is waiting for her move, and she is still thinking
Blakharaz [2d\]: maybe... body :)
mw2a [1k\]: well, let them know they should play around your schedule
mw2a [1k\]: mingming should have sensed weakness and denied break for food
NousAutres [9k\]: siege tactics
athenus [7k\]: that was not realy secret...
gogonuts [4d\]: and no water
NousAutres [9k\]: starve the opposition out
USGO1 [-\]: she played the move on the board, but the TD removes it and writes it down on the paper
USGO1 [-\]: the clocks have been paused
seishiro [1k\]: like a sealed move?
Danzo [6k\]: so what is the move?
Blakharaz [2d\]: it is a sealed move
lilomar [8k\]: almost exactly like a sealed move
QualityDr [10k?\]: So W can now know the sealed move, yes?
athenus [7k\]: though we all know it :)
lilomar [8k\]: very nearly the same thing :P
USGO1 [-\]: b:31 mins, w: 38 mins
USGO1 [-\]: returning in 45mins
USGO1 [-\]: players will be returning soon
Blakharaz [2d\]:  woohoo
tamagotchi [8k\]: this game is still going on?
USGO1 [-\]: lunch break
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: yea they had break
Blakharaz [2d\]: sure... they had lunch
tamagotchi [8k\]: oh
pharmakon [12k\]: so they're back now?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: and there back
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: up
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;B[jd]C[Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: yup*
pharmakon [12k\]: kk
Blakharaz [2d\]: oO that was unexpected
medical [4k\]: it was?
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah...
SenteProof [8k\]: we expected L16
Mongoose11 [8k\]: the a7 tesuji: sente against lower left group, followed by b9?
USGO1 [-\]: They don't wait for the TD to open the sealed move. Stephanie goes ahead and plays it
LeT63 [-\]: what u expected?
Blakharaz [2d\]: I expected K15 ^^
Blakharaz [2d\]: Jennie did so too
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;W[ke]C[SenteProof [8k\]: wow this one was inexpected ^^
LeT63 [-\]: me too but it was dagerous for
Blakharaz [2d\]: for?
Mongoose11 [8k\]: she had to expect the l15 response
LeT63 [-\]: r17 group
baltimore [3k\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
tamagotchi [8k\]: who won the other 2 games?
bbong: it's very expected
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;B[if]C[Liso66 [4k\]: it could by nice to see kgs match between eu and us champion :)
SenteProof [8k\]: black need risk cause he's behind?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: she
SenteProof [8k\]: right
USGO1 [-\]: the new cordon seems to be working... keeping people from standing in front of the camera
SenteProof [8k\]: how come anyway, she's awesome
Liso66 [4k\]: webcam? link pls
Blakharaz [2d\]: is black behind? :)
LeT63 [-\]: cordon?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: looks werid since it looks so empty in the room lol
medical [4k\]: liso66, check that last link
SenteProof [8k\]: still we can't see her face
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: just 3 ppl in the shot lol
USGO1 [-\]: Cathy Li 1P stops by to watch the game for a few moments
USGO1 [-\]: Huiren Yang 1P is also watching
Blakharaz [2d\]: nice :D
kostuek [3k\]: how many 1p is there
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;W[nc]
;B[ob]
;W[mg]C[medical [4k\]: is it enough for w to play m12 and then reduce n9-moyo?
lance [1d\]: white going for kill
Blakharaz [2d\]: this game is funny... and the 1p think so too I guess :)
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;B[lg]C[medical [4k\]: and b being flexible
Blakharaz [2d\]: uh... black gains a lot here
Blakharaz [2d\]: nice sacrifice
Blakharaz [2d\]: m12?
]
;W[lh]
;B[kh]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: hah
SenteProof [8k\]: black can only lose since she's got to protect the center
Viperlason [5d\]: N14 big no?
SenteProof [8k\]: wide open
Blakharaz [2d\]: no chance to win this for white if black gets center and o14
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;W[mf]C[Viperlason [5d\]: u mean n14
Ftsprt [1k\]: 16 pts?
]
;B[li]C[SenteProof [8k\]: black so far has only 10 pts of solid territory
Blakharaz [2d\]: yes :)
]
;W[mh]
;B[cf]
;W[bf]C[FreeDoom [1d\]: b goes for huge moyo
SenteProof [8k\]: center moyo?
SenteProof [8k\]: ambitious
Ftsprt [1k\]: allready rerr
method [-\]: FreeDoom lol
Ftsprt [1k\]: terr
DerWitt [1d\]: yes
bbong: left side is already territory
FreeDoom [1d\]: l18 or o10?
daft [3d\]: it's just center territory and it isn't really big enough I think
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie keeps straightening the k16 stone
Mongoose11 [8k\]: it does look a little overwhelmed
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah but white can reduce so much
Mongoose11 [8k\]: Q8?
Blakharaz [2d\]: hmm... not that much
Ftsprt [1k\]: b sente
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black is winning here imo.
SenteProof [8k\]: or maybe each player will end up with 15 pts ^^
Blakharaz [2d\]: I guess like Jennie said it's pretty close
bbong: yeah b sente right now pretty big
athenus [7k\]: 1p cannot loose.. its pro!
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: lol
tamagotchi [8k\]: ?
Bauer [1d\]: b has sente and that is enough to win
Wagaboo [-\]: w is clearly behind
daft [3d\]: did you count?
lance [1d\]: no game is unloseable
power [3k\]: pros never lose. even to themselves
daft [3d\]: I just counted and I think it is close
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah Beckham also is pro
bbong: l17?
daft [3d\]: maybe even B is leading
SenteProof [8k\]: that deosnt mean anything
daft [3d\]: *W
trilobyte [?\]: 1p lost to yongfei 2 days ago
bbong: seems huge
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah it's definitely close... but I prefer black here
athenus [7k\]: you are comparing football with go?
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;B[jg]C[SenteProof [8k\]: i'm comparing pro with pro
power [3k\]: very solid
SenteProof [8k\]: it's just a joke
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black can N10 now for territory, but it's gote for white.
athenus [7k\]: btw: theres a german football player (podolski) who once said: football is like chess, just without dice :)
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: OUCH
power [3k\]: was k13 a necessery?
Blakharaz [2d\]: L18 is also huge
FunGoSage [1d\]: k18
kostuek [3k\]: p8
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: wats with the mic
SenteProof [8k\]: i thought we could see the aura of pro players
SenteProof [8k\]: maybe it's a cheap camera
athenus [7k\]: must be so
Blakharaz [2d\]: you don't see the aura?
Bauer [1d\]: podolski is famous for intelligence
SenteProof [8k\]: nope
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: watever kinda cool seeing them cough lol
curelybb [5k\]: It is stressful
athenus [7k\]: though theres some white shimmering from the background, maybe it justs gets reflected by the lesnes in a wrong way
SenteProof [8k\]: ahhh, she coughed
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: lol
USGO1 [-\]: no she didn't
Blakharaz [2d\]: lukas doesn't play go ^^ so better watch the game and don't make fun of him...
SenteProof [8k\]: sorry, the dude coughed
SenteProof [8k\]: it's live tv
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei did
curelybb [5k\]: XD
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: i think he need a drink
grrr [13k?\]: podolski have a sprinkling of barminess?
athenus [7k\]: whats barminess
seeblick [1d\]: madness
grrr [13k?\]: loopy
grrr [13k?\]: bonkers
SenteProof [8k\]: yeah no the dude is bein intimidated i think
kubula [5k\]: what about Q18 for w?
Wagaboo [-\]: what would be sente...
kubula [5k\]: oh
Blakharaz [2d\]: doesn't work kubula
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Something in the N10 area seemes urgent for white, as well as K18, but black will get one of them, which is enough to win.
kubula [5k\]: i know
kubula [5k\]: now its over
tamagotchi [8k\]: s7?
Blakharaz [2d\]: k18 or n10 I guess
gogonuts [4d\]: k18
SenteProof [8k\]: b closed her moyo
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei leans far over the board looking at the top side
medical [4k\]: evaluating k18?
SenteProof [8k\]: USGO, is it you with the white beard?
power [3k\]: b has no chance
Blakharaz [2d\]: yes sente
Blakharaz [2d\]: Dennis-san
SenteProof [8k\]: not talking to you Blak
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: u dont see the laptop with the kgs sticker?
Rikku [1k\]: That's kind of rude Sente
power [3k\]: its Santa
sdsdvaca: no it's not
power [3k\]: :)
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: in front of him
SenteProof [8k\]: ??
SenteProof [8k\]: i don't get it
Blakharaz [2d\]: I just mean he is :) USGO1 is Dennis-san the guy with the white beard
SenteProof [8k\]: i just wanna know who the guy with the whit beard is
wolokom [5k\]: hi
USGO1 [-\]: If you want to see how the game ends, then you'd better let USGO1 focus on the board
SenteProof [8k\]: oh, he is!
SenteProof [8k\]: hey, hi
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;W[kb]
;B[jb]C[SenteProof [8k\]: thx Blak
evanj [3d\]: He's Dennis Wheeler, your game recorder this morning [afternoon\].
Blakharaz [2d\]: :) yw
evanj [3d\]: all the other game recorders are off cavorting on the beach...
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: not goin to lie even tho i looking from idk 2,000 miles away i feel the tension in that room 
GentleGo [-\]: you look like u fish
mw2a [1k\]: b seems a little behind?
]
;W[jc]C[kostuek [3k\]: gandalf is with us
SenteProof [8k\]: can you make a bird quickly with your hands?
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 went to the beach yesterday, and his feet got sandburned
hyuend [2k\]: lol
SenteProof [8k\]: cool story
baltimore [3k\]: , bro
hyuend [2k\]: bikini !
tamagotchi [8k\]: where in cali are ya'll?
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: santa monica 
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: the go congress
BobWhoosta [1k\]: This seems very good for black.
baltimore [3k\]: santa barbara, not santa monica
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;B[ic]
;W[kc]C[BobWhoosta [1k\]: I didn't see a problem with K!8.
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: there close to each other
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: rite?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: J16 now, and if J18 it's gote.
tamagotchi [8k\]: never been there b4.
Ftsprt [1k\]: q8 ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Tenuki also an option?  N10 looks huge.
simplet [3d\]: sb is not a serie at the tv actually?
lolp [20k?\]: anna, rita, moica, all same after a while
power [3k\]: lol it was very popular series about 15 years ago here :)
simplet [3d\]: )
Bauer [1d\]: tenuki a good option
Blakharaz [2d\]: I guess white needs a promising good move now to get a comeback
mw2a [1k\]: a little bit of monica in my life... a little bit of rita's all i need
evanj [3d\]: i think w still has a game here
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Well, white's only territory above 3rd line is the stones that black sacrificed...
Mongoose11 [8k\]: n10 > q8 for white?
Celerity [3d\]: w seems ok to me to
SenteProof [8k\]: game's pretty close tho
evanj [3d\]: yes bob, but b has almost no territory _beneath_ 3rd line!
medical [4k\]: hm, n9 works?
SenteProof [8k\]: less than 10 pts
fly [1d\]: did anyone count?
Celerity [3d\]: n9
tamagotchi [8k\]: i dont think n10 works?
Celerity [3d\]: for w
Wiggum [5k\]: w needs n9
SenteProof [8k\]: i can't count aga and also i
SenteProof [8k\]: m slow
lolp [20k?\]: territory is overrated
simplet [3d\]: n9 is too deep
Celerity [3d\]: n9 works
simplet [3d\]: ah
SenteProof [8k\]: Lolp, you can also play risk
LeT63 [-\]: o9?
simplet [3d\]: webrisk, yes, a good server
Wiggum [5k\]: w needs any reduction b's center right
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I tried to go for influence in risk...
fly [1d\]: whoa... just realized g4 is dead... just came in
SenteProof [8k\]: never tried that game, but i'm curious
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It didn't work out.
quyx [4k\]: don't you get territory with risk?
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;B[ib]C[cdpruitt [5k\]: G4 lives
evanj [3d\]: g4? dead?
seeblick [1d\]: g4 is connected - or alive
fly [1d\]: oh... duh
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;W[nj]C[fly [1d\]: brain damage! that's how I lose so many games
power [3k\]: w leads by komi
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yes, so white will play forcing moves on the outside later and force white to connect.
power [3k\]: both have ~55 pts
evanj [3d\]: it is fascinating how hard it acn be to tell such things if you haven't watched the game develop
Bauer [1d\]: that is rather big
evanj [3d\]: i'm sure that says something profound about the brain
Tictactoe [-\]: white is ahead
kostuek [3k\]: what brain
power [3k\]: now w is clearly ahead
Blakharaz [2d\]: I count w=60+komi --- b=61 , but still... black can get a bit more... so I guess it's pretty even... maybe white's ahead now
BobWhoosta [1k\]: True evanj, I don't like coming into games past move 60 or so.
power [3k\]: b needs youse really pro
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I have to go in and replay the whole game to get a sense of the flow of things...
cloudo [1k\]: good old jose, the cousin from mexico
fly [1d\]: seems like b has some pretty good yose
Blakharaz [2d\]: oh... forgot black captured stones... so w=60+komi - b=63
blacklabel [1d\]: if g4 were dead , no point in continue
BobWhoosta [1k\]: N9 seems good, but not as awesome as N10.
lolp [20k?\]: is there 1p with bad yose?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Now it looks like black is sacrificing some sutff.
quyx [4k\]: not that i know - but can't you just analyze a position?
fly [1d\]: I meant the board, not the person
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;B[nk]C[power [3k\]: Blakharaz, how did you count 63?
blacklabel [1d\]: there is 1p with good yose at worst
]
;W[lj]C[power [3k\]: poor Mingming
BobWhoosta [1k\]: M9 here?
teach [3d\]: its close imho
]
;B[mk]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: n7 is unsettled... so I didn't count it... also white can get points at R7 so it's hard to tell
teach [3d\]: b has a7 b9 cut
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think it will come down to S8 area, that is the last biggest points.
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah
power [3k\]: I think b can gain a bit at j2 area
]
;W[mj]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: not that much... and it's gote
BobWhoosta [1k\]: R8 now?
smogogo [1d\]: n9?
ptitlou [2d\]: or g9 ?
blacklabel [1d\]: b19?
Bauer [1d\]: r8 and later a7
Ftsprt [1k\]: s8 ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, a7 is not that big right now.
Blakharaz [2d\]: is a7 sente?
athenus [7k\]: how big is the difference by b19
KGSisKGS: g10 might work
KGSisKGS: for w
BobWhoosta [1k\]: B19 is black's privalege.
MXHero [3d\]: is r3 as a probe helpful?
Blakharaz [2d\]: I don't think b9 is as big as Q7/R8
blacklabel [1d\]: priveleges are nice, but must be taken
Olmi [2d\]: b19 is big,  but only for b
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Needs to be timed right.
fly [1d\]: how many points is k5?
blacklabel [1d\]: like every other move ^^
BobWhoosta [1k\]: As of now, it's too little, and something like R7 might compensat for it.
smogogo [1d\]: a7 looks gote or not so big
ramborocky [-\]: is there a live steam of this game?
mw2a [1k\]:  
compendium [?\]: w wins
blacklabel [1d\]: a7 threaten capture three stones
mw2a [1k\]: http://www.eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
gogonuts [4d\]: a7 is sente
ramborocky [-\]: thx
lance [1d\]: r8 looks big
fly [1d\]: compendium: how many points?
Blakharaz [2d\]: a7 also threatens to play b9
MXHero [3d\]: a7 threatens to kill the whole corner
USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie reaches out and restraightens all the stones on the left side (even though none of them have been disturbed)
smogogo [1d\]: yes but white don't have to play that
BobWhoosta [1k\]: It's fun how the players do that in the area they are about to move in...
Koukkaaja [3d\]: how dows a7 kill the corner
blacklabel [1d\]: which is the right side`?
gogonuts [4d\]: a7,tenuki,b4,b3,a2,a4,a6
Blakharaz [2d\]: my guess is: r8
teach [3d\]: b4 and a2
teach [3d\]: after a7
ritz [4k\]: with b A7, he just need to play b4 to kill
SenteProof [8k\]: the dude is gone
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Although I'm a little curious as to how R8 is not as big as A7.
USGO1 [-\]: then she restraightens the 3 black stones at o9
SenteProof [8k\]: mybe he resigned
smogogo [1d\]: oh i see a7 now, sorry
QualityDr [10k?\]: I think Steph's touching of the stones is a way she locks in their shape mentally, as she reads...
Ftsprt [1k\]: what about k2?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Ah, Stephanie curious as well...
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei leave to get more water and returns
zeb: double-straighten tesuji?
NousAutres [9k\]: or a nervous habit, even pros have them im sure
blacklabel [1d\]: they are even more bound to have them
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I once had the nervous habit of being pro.
KungFuBo [6k\]: what are their clocks?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: But with counseling, I dropped it.
QualityDr [10k?\]: Nerves? I'm shocked to hear that...
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;B[ir]
;W[jr]
;B[hr]C[USGO1 [-\]: their clocks are Ing clocks
SergeyASh [9k\]: looks k16 was mistake - k15 better, imho
ramborocky [-\]: dear santa, can you move the camera so we can see the board please?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Wow, wouldn't have thought black would run with J2 first...
blacklabel [1d\]: is smoking allowed at go meetings?
simplet [3d\]: is a video available ?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: ramborocky, USGO1 is how we view the board.
Liso66 [4k\]: and both faces could be interesting too :) 
pharmakon [12k\]: its california, no smoking
mw2a [1k\]: smoking is not allowed in closed public areas
simplet [3d\]: depends what 
lilomar [8k\]: simplet: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
blacklabel [1d\]: well yeah in us of course not... but at egc?
simplet [3d\]: thanks
Baytovn [6k\]: smoking is not allowed in California
Blakharaz [2d\]: USGO isn't in charge for the camera
power [3k\]: california is smoking free? great place :)
pharmakon [12k\]: indoors :)
simplet [3d\]: tabacco is not allowed
blacklabel [1d\]: because, you could stuff your pipe and threaten to smoke ^^
athenus [7k\]: is there a us state where smoking mariuhana is legal?
tamagotchi [8k\]: cali^
athenus [7k\]: in the us
pharmakon [12k\]: where I live, it practically is
blacklabel [1d\]: its a famous chess story
simplet [3d\]: so you can smoke whatever you want
tamagotchi [8k\]: well, for medical use only.
simplet [3d\]: except tobacco
bolbi [-\]: back to the game, please
ptitlou [2d\]: isnt' it sente ?
ramborocky [-\]: oh well , at least we can see santa, althogh its not xmas yet ^^
fly [1d\]: Did they break for lunch?
medical [4k\]: tamagotchi, really? cool :)
tamagotchi [8k\]: no. not cool
tamagotchi [8k\]: stupid^^
medical [4k\]: i'm glad about that ;)
curelybb [5k\]: n1
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;W[ms]C[QualityDr [10k?\]: Room's cleared out, very peaceful looking. Good for reading!
fly [1d\]: USGO: how much time left?
athenus [7k\]: gote?
Verse [2k\]: lol
Koukkaaja [3d\]: should not b start then with b9 there?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yes, J2 was sente for black it seems.
pharmakon [12k\]: so why bother with j2 in this situation? was it even comparable to R8?
Verse [2k\]: so score estimator showed the bottom right as alive, and the center white as dead
pharmakon [12k\]: hmph
Verse [2k\]: yongfei connected them
ptitlou [2d\]: j2 was sente on the white center group
USGO1 [-\]: USGO1 can't see the clock, but he will hear it when they reach 10 mins
Blakharaz [2d\]: it was sente... and n1 the best way to kill blacks options to get more sente moves
fly [1d\]: k, thx
Verse [2k\]: yongfei connected and now they are both showing as dead
mw2a [1k\]: you inherit deadness from parent
cdpruitt [5k\]: Is there byo-yomi?
fly [1d\]: verse: the se is broken! Don't sweat it.
evanj [3d\]: all of santa barbara will hear when they reach 10 mins
power [3k\]: should b play a7 first, or he can play b9 direcrly?
ramborocky [-\]: usgo1 can stand up and take a look at the clock?
Verse [2k\]: I don't :)
power [3k\]: sorry, she :)
Verse [2k\]: also all my comments are showing as (moderated) in this room?
blacklabel [1d\]: a7 but when w aswers in corner not b9 directly
KGSisKGS: playing b9 directly would then be b8 so i don't think so
Blakharaz [2d\]: Mingming should be near to byo-yomi
USGO1 [-\]: The clock now says (in chinese) that black has 10 mins left
]
;B[ql]
;W[rl]C[evanj [3d\]: could in theory do b9 b8 a9 a8 a7 atari
evanj [3d\]: so it is possible in that sense
]
;B[pl]C[power [3k\]: r8 ah
evanj [3d\]: doesn't mean it's correct
Blakharaz [2d\]: finally r8 :) nice
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black's yose is strong.
pharmakon [12k\]: man, I'm so much less tense after r8
cloudo [1k\]: wow in california clocks can talk chinese
power [3k\]: ehh, need to recount points now
blacklabel [1d\]: what did it say
]
;W[rm]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: now a7 and everything will be fine
evanj [3d\]: it said "we own all your treasury bonds"
mw2a [1k\]: canadian clocks speak french and english by law
BobWhoosta [1k\]: NOW A7.
clydesdale [2k\]: how much time left?
KGSisKGS: or w just play b8
blacklabel [1d\]: a7 then b19
Bauer [1d\]: after a7 b has won
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black gets about 10 points on the right center.
MXHero [3d\]: there is something at a18
ramborocky [-\]: when does the congress end, this weekend?
evanj [3d\]: yes
evanj [3d\]: a18 > b19
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Oh, black can ko there MX?
Vanya [1k\]: a18 b19 b17 b16 a16 - ko
BobWhoosta [1k\]: idk if black would like a ko, white seems to have all the threats.
MXHero [3d\]: yeah ko or connect back
evanj [3d\]: no need for b to ko, though
blacklabel [1d\]: if b is  ahead a18 is needless risk
evanj [3d\]: fun for us though
fly [1d\]: how far is b ahead?
lolp [20k?\]: 6
blacklabel [1d\]: close
blacklabel [1d\]: cant be far
Bauer [1d\]: b does not need a18
simplet [3d\]: a18 a17 or b17 rather?
power [3k\]: w is ahead
Vanya [1k\]: it's hanami ko
SergeyASh [9k\]: w lead big, may be 10 points or more
mw2a [1k\]: where does mingming live?
evanj [3d\]: college student on long island
teach [3d\]: no stalking pls
]
;B[lp]C[shoutan [?\]: i think w leads?
martin3141 [3d\]: the drawback of a18 is that it's gote, while b19 is sente
Blakharaz [2d\]: oh... strong move
MXHero [3d\]: w k5
]
;W[jo]C[mw2a [1k\]: well, not stalking. just curious for uhh... research
MXHero [3d\]: yess
athenus [7k\]: se says b
curelybb [5k\]: clever
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Yeah, didn't realize there's some shape stuff there.
KGSisKGS: l3?
power [3k\]: cut?
YangXu [4d\]: feels like b doesnt have enough
MXHero [3d\]: l3 cannot cut, but k4 can
bbong: yeah b behind
MXHero [3d\]: but it doesn't do anything
SergeyASh [9k\]: yes, shoutan - see SE
evanj [3d\]: k4 cuts, but sort of pointless, no?
bbong: so many places for w to reduce
]
;B[bk]C[power [3k\]: yeah
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah!
fly [1d\]: ah! excitement!
power [3k\]: like a boss!
]
;W[cg]
;B[df]C[YangXu [4d\]: oh that was big
Blakharaz [2d\]: and I was about to say mingming doesn't see it :D stupid me
evanj [3d\]: if you see it, she sees it, you can take that to the bank
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah
blacklabel [1d\]: what % do i get there
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Now black threatening to ko is quite big on the top left.
evanj [3d\]: and by "you" i mean anyone watching this game :D
Blakharaz [2d\]: XD
fly [1d\]: you talkin' to me??
MXHero [3d\]: b19 now?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: A18, and white might be forced to submit, because if black winsthe ko she can follow iwth a kill.
mw2a [1k\]: go mingming, it's yo' birthday
bbong: w easy win sees like
]
;W[ak]C[whatwhat [1k\]: they are not called pros beacuse they s*ck
blacklabel [1d\]: sick?
evanj [3d\]: they're also not called pros because they're good
mw2a [1k\]: sack?
NousAutres [9k\]: sack.
kostuek [3k\]: sock
BobWhoosta [1k\]: A7 aji keshi here?
]
;B[bl]C[evanj [3d\]: they're called pros because they're pros
KGSisKGS: seck?
KGSisKGS: :P
whatwhat [1k\]: they are called pros beacuse they are good
martin3141 [3d\]: a18 is not necessarily better than b19, even asuming w plays just b17
miazzi [5k\]: sock?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: syck.
mollycat [6k\]: sick
evanj [3d\]: snack
blacklabel [1d\]: that cant be a four ladder word
power [3k\]: is suck a bad word?
martin3141 [3d\]: if w ignores b19, would you play a18 or b17?
simplet [3d\]: tick
BobWhoosta [1k\]: syke
MXHero [3d\]: i'm surprised that b did not a6 or a7 first
KGSisKGS: i was surprised to see w not play b8
lolp [20k?\]: yes, power
evanj [3d\]: well, w a7 is way too risky
power [3k\]: why?
whatwhat [1k\]: not in my mind
fly [1d\]: b thinks she might still make ko in the lower left?
mollycat [6k\]: power! how could you say w*rd
quyx [4k\]: it becomes a bad word in certain contexts
MXHero [3d\]: yeah i guess
miazzi [5k\]: ward?
Blakharaz [2d\]: it's more... how you use the word ^^
athenus [7k\]: why w a9 and not b8?
blacklabel [1d\]: b8 bad
MXHero [3d\]: oh wait a7 doesn't work at all
evanj [3d\]: because b8 doesn't do anything
evanj [3d\]: right, mx
power [3k\]: we stood this word at school :)
evanj [3d\]: well, it's a terrible ko
MXHero [3d\]: b can b4 before blocking at a8
SergeyASh [9k\]: k14 ?
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;W[kj]C[evanj [3d\]: oh
evanj [3d\]: right you are
KGSisKGS: it would be better than giving up a wall and a stone to b
MXHero [3d\]: that's fancy
evanj [3d\]: very fancy, well done :P
MXHero [3d\]: haha well b thought of it 20 moves ago :)
YangXu [4d\]: the us open is 5 rounds right?
evanj [3d\]: hey, we 3ds have to take what we can get
mw2a [1k\]: t
mw2a [1k\]: y
lolp [20k?\]: c
MXHero [3d\]: true that evanj
fly [1d\]: Yang: 6
evanj [3d\]: 6, yangxu
BobWhoosta [1k\]: Black invented a corner problem last week that involved B4 in the solution.
Lyon [2d\]: B19 is getting big
BobWhoosta [1k\]: So she just referred back to it.
cloudo [1k\]: are they playing under the free sky or why is it called "open"
evanj [3d\]: because anyone can enter
Lyon [2d\]: lol
mw2a [1k\]: getting big or bigging get?
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I would totally A18 here.
KGSisKGS: 30k to 9p :P
USGO1 [-\]: Black's clock say she now has 5 mins left (if my chinese is any good)
Blakharaz [2d\]: I feel so bad only being 2d after your comment evanj :(((
blacklabel [1d\]: its open to anyone i guess
]
;B[gk]C[evanj [3d\]: all you really have to know is the word for 5
Koukkaaja [3d\]: playing on open skynet
appelsap [8k\]: nice moyo based match
evanj [3d\]: not that i know the word for 5
whatwhat [1k\]: open as opposed tio invitational , context in turnament terms
blacklabel [1d\]: five?
evanj [3d\]: thx blacklabel
Blakharaz [2d\]: "go"
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think it's "cinco".
blacklabel [1d\]: capt obvious at your service
lolp [20k?\]: cinco de moyo?
cdpruitt [5k\]: It's 'wu'
bert [2d\]: l4 
cloudo [1k\]: that means i can join the us open tennis tournament too?
evanj [3d\]: yes
blacklabel [1d\]: l4 doesnt really make points there
Blakharaz [2d\]: uh... l4? I don't think so
cloudo [1k\]: awesome
Imp20 [3k\]: if you get past the peliminaries
Lyon [2d\]: there are qualifying rounds but 
evanj [3d\]: you can join a qualifying tournament
BobWhoosta [1k\]: cloudo, if you can win the qualifiers.
MXHero [3d\]: l4 is interesting
blacklabel [1d\]: black gote thogh after l3
evanj [3d\]: if you're lucky you'll draw rafael nadal in the first round
cloudo [1k\]: i gotta beliveee
Verse [2k\]: I don't like white l4
blacklabel [1d\]: k11
athenus [7k\]: nadal needs to qualify?
Verse [2k\]: black l3 would seem to cause problems
Imp20 [3k\]: no
evanj [3d\]: dunno how it works :P
blacklabel [1d\]: nadal doesnt need to qualify
Imp20 [3k\]: he is seeded
cdpruitt [5k\]: So, this game...
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;W[ji]C[simplet [3d\]: j9 made l4 very competitive indeed
blacklabel [1d\]: wee
USGO1 [-\]: ZiYang Hu 1P is now watching the game
Lyon [2d\]: does black play J12 for good shape just block directly?
appelsap [8k\]: hey, tennis chat here?
USGO1 [-\]: he's doing very well in this tournament as well
blacklabel [1d\]: j11 power triangle
evanj [3d\]: the little kid
Imp20 [3k\]: wish the camera angle was the other side of the table heh
BobWhoosta [1k\]: I think that without K9 L4 doesn't contain any nasty threats.
evanj [3d\]: imp: it's ok, you're not the fiftieth person to make that obnoxious comment
appelsap [8k\]: imp20 i agree
smogogo [1d\]: la big 
baklava [1d\]: nothing complicated w is all connected
fly [1d\]: I think the camera should be at the side of the board
Lyon [2d\]: what is on the other side of the table?
Imp20 [3k\]: hard to see the lower right and of the board with mingming in the way heh
blacklabel [1d\]: i wish i would register to see 2 people staring at a board
]
;B[ih]C[smogogo [1d\]: with m5 l7 follow up
MXHero [3d\]: k11 is very cool
Verse [2k\]: hm I do like l4
martin3141 [3d\]: I think j12 is better than j11, because if j11 then k12 j12 l11 is atari
Verse [2k\]: but it ends up gote
evanj [3d\]: blacklabel: but you're missing out on the dancing girls in the background
simplet [3d\]: in the second mi- temps, they will swap sides
compendium [?\]: i liked the moving camera on the first day
appelsap [8k\]: the other side, is that under the table?
bbong: why aren't the other boards broadcasted on kgs
evanj [3d\]: really? it made me nauseous
curelybb [5k\]: o19
compendium [?\]: that was much more interesting
]
;W[ba]C[KGSisKGS: wouldn't k4 disconnect w?
blacklabel [1d\]: for dancing girls i go to parties
fly [1d\]: aw!
evanj [3d\]: kgs: yes, but no reaeson to
appelsap [8k\]: what parties
DarkScythe [3d\]: k4 k3?
blacklabel [1d\]: b privelege my back
smogogo [1d\]: k4 disconnect but gote
bbong: yes k4 k3 lol
Imp20 [3k\]: and the board is all fliped around hehe... because camera and scribe on opposite sides of the game
KGSisKGS: true but couldn't that white group at f4 die then?
blacklabel [1d\]: k4j5 k3 l2 l4  gote b
smogogo [1d\]: k4 j5 k3 l2
DarkScythe [3d\]: no after k3 w is connected
blacklabel [1d\]: and alive already
evanj [3d\]: that group isn't going to die, kgs
Blakharaz [2d\]: l4 k10 l11 l3 k4 l2 m1 l1 o1 k1 k3 j1 - white needs an additional move to live in the center
ranin19 [9k\]: b l3
evanj [3d\]: after j5 it's alive anyway
KGSisKGS: but w couldn't play k3 after k4 because of j5
]
;B[oj]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: so I guess l4 isn't that good
]
;W[oi]
;B[pk]
;W[rj]C[evanj [3d\]: k4 j5 k2 {l4 l3) l2
evanj [3d\]: b got one point in gote
baklava [1d\]: couldnt? who says so :)
evanj [3d\]: and separated two living groups
fly [1d\]: hmmm... how much sente does b have?
]
;B[gm]
;W[hm]C[USGO1 [-\]: Stephanie is twiddling several stones in one hand while dropping stones on the table in front of her with the other
Imp20 [3k\]: why would w play l4? in your sec evanj?
evanj [3d\]: ok, more than one point ot be fair
athenus [7k\]: se has updated to correct alive status
evanj [3d\]: no reason
MXHero [3d\]: k15
Ftsprt [1k\]: b11 
evanj [3d\]: hence the parentheses
USGO1 [-\]: her clock now says she has 1 min left
evanj [3d\]: oh, i missed that w got b19
blacklabel [1d\]: ^^
USGO1 [-\]: Yongfei checks her time
medical [4k\]: how long is the byo?
Blakharaz [2d\]: her?
blacklabel [1d\]: short
evanj [3d\]: 5x30s
evanj [3d\]: blak: yes, he checks his opponent's time
mw2a [1k\]: her refers to mingming
Blakharaz [2d\]: ah ^^ makes sense
hyuend [2k\]: got video?
evanj [3d\]: yes
appelsap [8k\]: k4 j5 k3 l3 what is the problem?
Tictactoe [-\]: http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
USGO1 [-\]: black is now in byo-yomi
bbong: b behind by komi at least
hyuend [2k\]: thanks
maynerd [9d\]: ge yong fei is i believe the new pro killer
teach [3d\]: w wins
evanj [3d\]: get ready for the chinese gabfest from the clock
indianayk [4d\]: very close with w's advantage
fly [1d\]: I have b behind by 3
SadPlayer [-\]: b11 
evanj [3d\]: i'll be very impressed if ge wins
Riefu [2k\]: is there a matrix
USGO1 [-\]: 4 periods left
maynerd [9d\]: because as of today, he wil lhave destroyed two chinese pros who received their ranks in the last 2 years
blacklabel [1d\]: there is no problem its just that neither w l4 or b k4 are very big
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white is winning it seems
evanj [3d\]: he beat hu also?
]
;B[le]C[MXHero [3d\]: dang i was so close
]
;W[je]C[appelsap [8k\]: it is gote however
evanj [3d\]: 7d-3d = "so close" :D
bbong: why would a new chinese pro play in an ama tournament?
Tictactoe [-\]: lol
MXHero [3d\]: n15, do it!!
]
;B[id]
;W[kd]C[mw2a [1k\]: because she wanted to
NousAutres [9k\]: i believe she is a student at an american university
evanj [3d\]: to get to the other side
Koukkaaja [3d\]: many pros dream to become amas
]
;B[jp]C[mw2a [1k\]: which? o,O
]
;W[io]C[bert [2d\]: n15 o15 n19 
fly [1d\]: pros win this tourny most years
MXHero [3d\]: hmm i am confused why m15 was better than k15
]
;B[bi]C[Riefu [2k\]: is there a tourney bracket
evanj [3d\]: this is ge's year
baklava [1d\]: l 11 bigger
]
;W[ie]
;B[he]
;W[ci]C[bbong: ho this ko is big
Tictactoe [-\]: m15 has two more 1 point sente moves as follow-up
NousAutres [9k\]: i forget which university, mw2a, if that's directed at me. USGO mentioned it before when he introduced the players.
]
;B[me]C[fly [1d\]: now we get to see every 1 point sente play!
]
;W[ne]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: it all depends on ko now? :(
whitetalon [?\]: http://www.usgo.org/news/2010/10/xu-wins-in-ny-go-center-has-club-pro/
bbong: maybe b goes to ucsb lol
]
;B[bi]C[bbong: cheel
baklava [1d\]: q17
]
;W[jj]
;B[lk]
;W[ci]
;B[an]C[evanj [3d\]: some college on long island
mw2a [1k\]: this ko is roughly the size of 1/2 of california
]
;W[bp]C[Imp20 [3k\]: this ko is big for w
]
;B[bi]C[Imp20 [3k\]: he really wants to win it
]
;W[kk]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: sure he does
USGO1 [-\]: white now has 10 minutes left
cloudo [1k\]: w will win it it seems
evanj [3d\]: i think he'd prefer not to win it
]
;B[kl]
;W[ci]C[Tictactoe [-\]: dennis is really fast he puts stones faster then a shadow
SergeyASh [9k\]: a8 ?
]
;B[ds]
;W[br]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: 'and' he writes comments!
Vanya [1k\]: b has r11 
]
;B[bi]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: dennis is the real winner here :D
]
;W[ll]C[mw2a [1k\]: he is literate AND plays go
Tictactoe [-\]: and then when they apprear on our screen, he starts typing them on tv
Blakharaz [2d\]: awesome
NousAutres [9k\]: not like the rest of us
ranin19 [9k\]: w has lots of threats
]
;B[km]C[NousAutres [9k\]: wish i could read and write
]
;W[ci]C[KGSisKGS: b17 ko threat
martin3141 [3d\]: b15 better
fly [1d\]: they haven't even gotten to the pointless threats yet
athenus [7k\]: w ahead by 2,5?
]
;B[be]
;W[bd]C[fly [1d\]: hey; there was a pointless threat!
]
;B[bi]
;W[ii]C[smogogo [1d\]: l3 big enough for white?
fly [1d\]: w gains a point!
mw2a [1k\]: wasn't pointless. trying to win ko
Imp20 [3k\]: thats the problem... heh
fly [1d\]: (but made no points)
evanj [3d\]: he means literally point-less
simplet [3d\]: these lada clocks are terrible
]
;B[hi]
;W[ci]C[Imp20 [3k\]: b has no more point threats... w has a lot left
MXHero [3d\]: n19
simplet [3d\]: they can speak chinese
fly [1d\]: and every time w makes a 1 point threat, he gains a point (if b is making pointless threats)... so soon the ko doesn't even matter
]
;B[aq]
;W[ar]C[martin3141 [3d\]: 1pt-treats were w's sente anyway
]
;B[bi]C[Verse [2k\]: the ko is worth several points itself
]
;W[fn]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: these moves are sente moves anyway... he could play them without the ko
fly [1d\]: ah...
baklava [1d\]: but she couldnt play all the 1 pts sente without the ko
fly [1d\]: right... I got no brain!!
Blakharaz [2d\]: so... doesn't matter... but winning the ko is big
martin3141 [3d\]: it's not as if they were sente for both
]
;B[fl]
;W[ci]C[bert [2d\]: n19 
evanj [3d\]: i'm too lazy to count... is the consensus that this could be a game-deciding ko?
]
;B[qq]
;W[rq]C[athenus [7k\]: isnt it just a 1point ko?
KGSisKGS: no
GentleGo [-\]: lol
Koukkaaja [3d\]: pointless ko
evanj [3d\]: no
Imp20 [3k\]: like a 4 point ko or more
Blakharaz [2d\]: I guess white wins anyway
]
;B[bi]C[YangXu [4d\]: yedha
Blakharaz [2d\]: but very close
YangXu [4d\]: yeah*
athenus [7k\]: w can a10
]
;W[aj]C[fly [1d\]: 7 points?
martin3141 [3d\]: a12 now xD
Imp20 [3k\]: then a12
goqc [4k\]: then a 1 15 lol
cloudo [1k\]: There is a pattern, an order underlying every Go game.
goqc [4k\]: a15*
USGO1 [-\]: 2 periods left
USGO1 [-\]: unless I miss counted
Verse [2k\]: a12 lose a point if white can win the ko
Blakharaz [2d\]: nooo she can't lose by time .__.
YangXu [4d\]: she wont lol
USGO1 [-\]: now 2 periods left
]
;B[ah]C[Imp20 [3k\]: b l11 seems sorta big right now
]
;W[ci]C[athenus [7k\]: whatsthat voice, the clock?
GentleGo [-\]: 1p should be experienced with managing time...
]
;B[ns]
;W[os]C[evanj [3d\]: yes, these are loquacious clocks
]
;B[bi]
;W[ag]C[Imp20 [3k\]: she prolly just counted the game score and the amount of ko threats each player had right thne =P
Blakharaz [2d\]: what's loquacious? ^^
bbong: she's should be quite experienced
NousAutres [9k\]: talkative
cdpruitt [5k\]: Talktative
Blakharaz [2d\]: ah
NousAutres [9k\]: GRE word
KGSisKGS: a 15
]
;B[al]
;W[ci]C[appelsap [8k\]: what is gre?
indianayk [4d\]: k3 is gote but big
athenus [7k\]: still dont see what b is gaining by winning the ko
evanj [3d\]: yes, I did very well on the GREs, thanks for asking
athenus [7k\]: except the c11 stone
Imp20 [3k\]: l3 is better then k3
evanj [3d\]: appel :standardized exam for postgraduate education in US
baklava [1d\]: b won many pts
]
;B[qj]C[appelsap [8k\]: evanj thx
NousAutres [9k\]: it tests vocab among other things
]
;W[qi]
;B[bi]
;W[ah]C[Celerity [3d\]: k3 is not big
Imp20 [3k\]: d13 sente
baklava [1d\]: d 13 became sente
Imp20 [3k\]: now heh
]
;B[dg]
;W[ci]C[KGSisKGS: a 15 then a 16 then a 17?
martin3141 [3d\]: black succeeded
MXHero [3d\]: n19
MadHatter [3d?\]: a15
martin3141 [3d\]: a15 
Verse [2k\]: c11 mistake here, white can't fill
baklava [1d\]: why take the ko cant connect
]
;B[ae]
;W[ad]C[KGSisKGS: nice
BinX [-\]: forcing to use a threat
KGSisKGS: now a 17 right?
]
;B[ma]C[YangXu [4d\]: why are they still fighting this ko?
]
;W[lb]C[Imp20 [3k\]: no ko is over
YangXu [4d\]: or why play a15?
indianayk [4d\]: k3 is 5+ points
DonValley [-\]: extra ko threat
MXHero [3d\]: 5 points?seems smaller than that
evanj [3d\]: wow those are some insane noises
]
;B[bi]C[Riefu [2k\]: lol
]
;W[af]C[baltimore [3k\]: The game which was being replayed because of the triple ko thing just finished
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: wth
bbong: seems b caught up a bit
MXHero [3d\]: k3 l3 l4 l1 j1 k1
martin3141 [3d\]: l11 or k3?
evanj [3d\]: was it a triple ko again?
compendium [?\]: who won?
bbong: gonna be close
]
;B[ki]
;W[ja]C[baklava [1d\]: I count 3 pts for k 3
Verse [2k\]: how can you have triple ko in AGA, doesn't AGA have a superko rule?
baltimore [3k\]: bill won.... the same guy that would have gotten to capture the group if they had done it according to agarules... so justice prevailed
athenus [7k\]: why b11?
baklava [1d\]: but gote for both
YangXu [4d\]: who did bill play again?
whatwhat [1k\]: h17?..hurts
MXHero [3d\]: k3 is nearly zero points sente
baltimore [3k\]: yes, AGA rules has the superko rule, but the players played through it instead of stopping, so we had to make them playagain
USGO1 [-\]: last byo-yomi period
]
;B[hc]C[evanj [3d\]: wow, byo yomi, loud noises, this is getting tense
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: why does it sound like some1 typing with the mic
Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: ?
martin3141 [3d\]: k3 makes m1 and o1 dame
bbong: k3 is not 0 pts lol
martin3141 [3d\]: though it's gote
MXHero [3d\]: no it doesn't
Riefu [2k\]: for dramatic effect
baltimore [3k\]: i'm typing on my laptop which has an internal mic.  the camera is plugged into it
MXHero [3d\]: k3 l3 l4 l1 j1 k1
KGSisKGS: i thought that k3 would be important :D
Imp20 [3k\]: sounds like a printer going on in the background
Celerity [3d\]: w will l1
]
;W[pc]C[Verse [2k\]: question is k3 or s16
evanj [3d\]: baltimore is the reigning title holder of the world's loudest typist competition
Verse [2k\]: for white
]
;B[pb]
;W[sd]C[martin3141 [3d\]: oh I see thx
cloudo [1k\]: h17 hahah
evanj [3d\]: wow they started playin 5 hours ago
USGO1 [-\]: nope, not the last period... it'd be a whole lot easier if I understood chinese
]
;B[qd]C[Vinnie1144 [9k?\]: lol
martin3141 [3d\]: h17 is good
USGO1 [-\]: yes, it is the last period
athenus [7k\]: r16?
seeblick [1d\]: b k3 w l3 b l4 w l1 - w still has 3 points
zeb: why t16 and not s16?
TheFuture [8k\]: can someone explain h17 then
CptHook [4k\]: b +3.5
Koukkaaja [3d\]: i thought it is impossible to predict the last periods
MXHero [3d\]: b can play n16 in sente still, thanks to h17
pharmakon [12k\]: h17 help would be nice
whatwhat [1k\]: k14 was sente
MXHero [3d\]: otherwise l13 l14 k14 l13 h14 j13 is a huge problem
USGO1 [-\]: she got down to the last 10 seconds
SergeyASh [9k\]: interesting...
]
;W[pe]C[fly [1d\]: it fixes the cut at h16
]
;B[jq]C[KGSisKGS: nice
evanj [3d\]: otherwise w gets a couple points with h16
]
;W[kq]C[smogogo [1d\]: l3 l4 k1 not so nice
]
;B[kp]C[GentleGo [-\]: i don't get r16
bbong: but necessary
]
;W[ks]C[indianayk [4d\]: in sente
appelsap [8k\]: you see? gote....
SixtyNine [1d\]: white ahead too much
xDragon [-\]: k1 just allowed j1 in sente
Imp20 [3k\]: didn't matter... k1 would make j1 sente anyways
]
;B[is]
;W[js]C[fly [1d\]: how did w bget b19?
smogogo [1d\]: yes but same here
bbong: well b prob play k3 just so w can't play it
gepay [2k\]: gave up sente
]
;B[rd]C[USGO1 [-\]: she drops the stone on the board, but quickly straightens them
bbong: it was b sente to begin with tho
]
;W[qm]
;B[pm]C[SenteProof [8k\]: white has no chance
goqc [4k\]: b good yose
Verse [2k\]: one of them should play A5 so SE will get the score right :P
SenteProof [8k\]: i mean, black
]
;W[cs]C[smogogo [1d\]: h9 next?
]
;B[es]C[bbong: b can't afford komi
]
;W[qn]C[cloudo [1k\]: pretty shape at l2
fly [1d\]: seems instead of b9 (long ago), b should have b19?
martin3141 [3d\]: n16 ?
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white can take all 1 point sente now and next play h9
]
;B[rc]
;W[se]C[baklava [1d\]: b +2.5 I count
bbong: lol?
bbong: with komi and captures?
]
;B[hk]
;W[pn]C[indianayk [4d\]: w wins by 5.5 or 4.5 points
GentleGo [-\]: yeah..
]
;B[on]C[ranin19 [9k\]: w a5
SenteProof [8k\]: poor stephanie
Jarndyce [2d\]: still no c19?
goqc [4k\]: e6?
maynerd [9d\]: w+1.5
]
;W[hl]C[fly [1d\]: soooo close
vingol [1d\]: a5 no use cannot connect
bbong: well w is not the best of the pros...
bbong: i mean
bbong: b
Nation [4k\]: and now we mourn
]
;B[eo]C[SenteProof [8k\]: can't believe a pro would lose to a 7d, is he insei?
farmer [4d\]: white should c19 first
Tictactoe [-\]: yes white win
]
;W[fo]C[bbong: just strong ama
Verse [2k\]: everyone relying on SE for count remember that it doesn't handle AGA rules correctly all the time
USGO1 [-\]: white has 5 mintues left
Imp20 [3k\]: n11
bbong: but b is a pro for 4 years and still no promotion
athenus [7k\]: whats differnt with aga rules
bbong: that says smthing
baltimore [3k\]: "7d" is the highest technical AGA rating
]
;B[mi]
;W[ni]C[Lyon [2d\]: i'm always sa when the pros lose
Imp20 [3k\]: t6
MXHero [3d\]: b is currently going to school
SenteProof [8k\]: what do you mean, pro with no promotion?
]
;B[md]C[zakatan [3k\]: SE doesn't handle estimation well in general
]
;W[mc]C[baltimore [3k\]: most of them are much stronger
simplet [3d\]: what did thomas debarre ilya shishkine give
baklava [1d\]: in 20th wagc special event 7d ama won against 2 9p s 
vingol [1d\]: european 7d is about1d pro strenght
Tictactoe [-\]: w hite =4,5 i count
kostuek [3k\]: pros just strong amateurs, not superheros
bbong: means after she got 1p she didn't win a lot of pro matches
]
;B[kg]C[SenteProof [8k\]: black is so behind
simplet [3d\]: hello ron
Jarndyce [2d\]: @baklava -- which ama?
appelsap [8k\]: b wins
Ritm [10k\]: Aguilar
]
;W[ca]C[bbong: so amongst pros she's not that good
baklava [1d\]: chinese guy cant remember his name
CptHook [4k\]: i counted  b +3
gepay [2k\]: is komi 7.5
Ritm [10k\]: Aguilar 6d did the same
martin3141 [3d\]: l13 necessary?
curelybb [5k\]: thx Cp
]
;B[db]C[goqc [4k\]: Andy Liu? the guy who beat two 9p's no?
]
;W[na]C[seeblick [1d\]: I have w +2.5
DonValley [-\]: w+4.5
fly [1d\]: why throw-in??
]
;B[oa]
;W[ia]C[teach [3d\]: timesuji
evanj [3d\]: why not?
Verse [2k\]: time maybe?
cdpruitt [5k\]: Andy's a boss
evanj [3d\]: looks cool
]
;B[ha]
;W[ka]C[MXHero [3d\]: doesn't lose any points and there are extra ko threats now
Ftsprt [1k\]: 0.5
USGO1 [-\]: white has lots of time
MXHero [3d\]: extra half point ko threats :)
Blakharaz [2d\]: don't overestimate this game guys... a strong amateur plays a shodan evenly... mingming is strong, but yongfei isn't bad at all... it's possible to win against 2p or 3p too
Ftsprt [1k\]: but who won
fly [1d\]: thx mx
]
;B[sp]
;W[sq]C[Lyon [2d\]: aguilar beat 9ds
eurogotv [-\]: live TV broadcast of this game on http://eurogotv.com/index.php?menu=Live&channel=EuroGoTV-US
Lyon [2d\]: it happens
Blakharaz [2d\]: sure
martin3141 [3d\]: e6 is no point
CptHook [4k\]: a5 ko
]
;B[so]
;W[sm]C[bbong: 1-4p all around same strength
evanj [3d\]: so we'rd in 1 point gote land
appelsap [8k\]: B+2.5
Imp20 [3k\]: e6
fly [1d\]: but! w must pass last! so b can gain 1 point at the end
bbong: unless they are special
baltimore [3k\]: b has 3min 45 sec, w has 30sec SD
mw2a [1k\]: th-th-that's all, folks
eurogotv [-\]: Dennis Wheeler, you are the greatest!!
]
;B[em]
;W[ao]C[cloudo [1k\]: ebi
Imp20 [3k\]: k12?
evanj [3d\]: eventually
evanj [3d\]: or k14
martin3141 [3d\]: c11 
evanj [3d\]: no hurry
fly [1d\]: e7?? what was that?
]
;B[am]C[curelybb [5k\]: a7 I guess
farmer [4d\]: counting
]
;W[ci]C[Lyon [2d\]: white had to guard the cut
Lyon [2d\]: same difference
evanj [3d\]: e7 makes b a7 possible
evanj [3d\]: prevents the ko
Blakharaz [2d\]: she has to protect d7 cut anyway
Imp20 [3k\]: e7 had to be played at some time anyways
Imp20 [3k\]: because of the d7 threat
CptHook [4k\]: i was blind...
evanj [3d\]: good move when there are no points left
]
;B[be]
;W[ae]C[Blakharaz [2d\]: so e7 is just the right move
]
;B[bi]C[OrenIshii [9k\]: What do they use for streaming? Flash? HTML5?
MXHero [3d\]: m19
grrr [13k?\]: r19 for w?
MXHero [3d\]: is a cute threat now
martin3141 [3d\]: k14 and k12 are miai
]
;W[la]C[eurogotv [-\]: flash
catsoldier [6k\]: not the greatest camera placement : (
tamagotchi [8k\]: w wins?
Lyon [2d\]: tons of threats up there
]
;B[na]
;W[ci]C[bbong: w+2.5...
OrenIshii [9k\]: Oh, ok. :-( Thanks!
]
;B[ig]C[seeblick [1d\]: b needs j13 later
]
;W[bi]
;B[jh]
;W[kf]
;B[en]
;W[ep]
;B[jf]
;W[rn]
;B[sn]C[baltimore [3k\]: sorry about the camera angle, it's the highest point we could hang it
cloudo [1k\]: pretty board
mw2a [1k\]: hang 'em high
eurogotv [-\]: super job baltimore
USGO1 [-\]: and white passes a stone
jubjub [2k\]: they are counting now?
appelsap [8k\]: seems so
Blakharaz [2d\]: yeah... thanks baltimore and dennis
USGO1 [-\]: they are counting now
baltimore [3k\]: yes, looks like it
mw2a [1k\]: that hurts, passing a stone ><
SergeyASh [9k\]: b +6
]
;W[]C[SergeyASh [9k\]: w +6
KGSisKGS: :P
cdpruitt [5k\]: Thickness pays off
]
;B[]C[mw2a [1k\]: g+6
simplet [3d\]: they could ask for se
appelsap [8k\]: i counted b+2.5
]
;W[]TW[aa][ab][ac][bc][lc][be][oe][nf][of][pf][qf][rf][sf][ng][og][pg][qg][sg][oh][qh][rh][sh][pi][ri][si][qj][sj][rk][sk][sl][in][go][ho][ap][aq][bq][qq][kr][pr][qr][sr][as][bs][ls][ns][ps][qs][rs][ss]TB[ea][fa][ga][pa][qa][ra][sa][fb][gb][hb][qb][ec][gc][fd][gd][hd][fe][ge][ef][ff][gf][hf][eg][fg][gg][hg][eh][fh][gh][hh][ei][fi][gi][ej][fj][gj][ck][dk][ek][fk][cl][dl][ll][ml][nl][ol][dm][lm][mm][nm][om][ln][mn][nn][lo][mo][mp][gr][fs][gs][hs]C[MXHero [3d\]: amazing game! thanks usgo1!
kairos [-\]: w+
appelsap [8k\]: thanks USGO1!
Chioy [5k\]: thx santa
bolbi [-\]: w+1,5
power [3k\]: thank you, usgo!
Nation [4k\]: ty usgo1
mw2a [1k\]: ty
globax [3d\]: thx much usgo01
Jarndyce [2d\]: Thanks for relaying!
KGSisKGS: w + 2.5 :D
mw2a [1k\]: w sucks 
simplet [3d\]: please move the camera so that we can discover her face
happyax [9k\]: thanks USGO1
mw2a [1k\]: boo!
Ftsprt [1k\]: chines rules?
Jasiek [5k\]: thanks
Nation [4k\]: :D
mw2a [1k\]: AGA rules
USGO1 [-\]: W+1.5
happyax [9k\]: aga rules
Liso66 [4k\]: thnx
Verse [2k\]: wish the live TV stream had sound
catsoldier [6k\]: thanks for broadcasting!
Mathey: thanks USGO1
mostan: mw2a W WON
mw2a [1k\]: yeah, w sucks
martin3141 [3d\]: thank you USGO1!
USGO1 [-\]: they counted W+2.5
NousAutres [9k\]: thanks USGO1
power [3k\]: great!
cloudo [1k\]: now lets get the party started!!!
epion003 [?\]: thx
SergeyASh [9k\]: tnx players - interesting game!
mostan: mw2a ... oh oh
jubjub [2k\]: what was he saying?
bolbi [-\]: thnk you players and USGO1
gepay [2k\]: seems like if b had gotten b19 in sente  then she would have won
appelsap [8k\]: in AGA, also stones are points?
USGO1 [-\]: Thanks for joining us for our live coverage of the 2011 US Open, brought to you by the AGA E-Journal.  Check back this evening at 7pm Pacific time for live coverage of the North American Masters and Strong Players Open tournaments.
QualityDr [10k?\]: Thanks, USGO1! Nicely done...
simplet [3d\]: hanks usgi1
simplet [3d\]: o
Imp20 [3k\]: thanx usgo1
CptHook [4k\]: thx
teach [3d\]: b lost 1 or 2 at the very end
teach [3d\]: h17 and L13
appelsap [8k\]: bye USGO1
teach [3d\]: very close thing
CptHook [4k\]: b leaved o14 too easy i guess
CptHook [4k\]: left**
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